Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 383 Championing

    At this point they're still going to vote on a bill that doesn't include any of these concessions in writing, however.

    Which is a problem if they decide not to bother including them after the vote goes through.

    I am not sure about how legally binding a promise in the chamber is. I think they've been broken before.

    It would still be better for the bill to be voted down and them to start again. With the review, and us.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 176 Empowering

    Does anyone know what the **** is going on at the minute , I've never been more lost about everything in my whole life ! My OCD makes me crave certainty and order and there isn't any .... I'm literally finding it hard to even type , I spend sometimes days in the same position not being able to move , it's definitely going to be like that for the next few days , what we've had to go through over these past few months has been disgusting .... Need some rest bite

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 151 Empowering

    They Just want the bill passed even with Timms review scheduled for the autumn of 26 .…

    The timms review won't listen to charities ect .…

    With the bill passed they'll just introduce barbaric cuts .…

    Why else would they proceed with the bill ? It should be pulled until after the timms review !

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 297 Championing

    The obvious solution to PIP assessments is to get medically trained people to assess, it would add a watertight legitimacy to the claimants which no vindictive government could question.

    This country is in a crisis of morality, it really is fractured though it's within online discourse, in public my mother says no hatred is directed at the disabled instead compassion and empathy from others to for example a person in a wheelchair.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 230 Pioneering

    The bill should be scrapped now and start from scratch.

    What a shambles this is. Playing with peoples life’s like this.

    Go back to the drawing board, invite disability charities, experts etc

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    They need to vote this down as I’m more suspicious now than I was before. Most of the bill is gone so what’s the point ? If this bill passes does it give Timms free rein to bring in the tougher criteria he obviously wants to ? Or will any future changes still need to be voted in ?

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 383 Championing

    Unfortunately I have seen and encountered face to face discrimination for disability when the disability is not visible to the person making the comments.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    True dat! secretsquirrel

  • waylander9602
    waylander9602 Online Community Member Posts: 70 Empowering

    They scrapped 4 point rule

  • Karl99
    Karl99 Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    This is looking more like PIP will continue as normal, with maybe some subtle changes here and there. The bonfire will be ESA, as literally NOBODY is talking about it.

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 166 Empowering

    I can't help wonder if this was their contingency plan all along, knowing they would face rebellion. There's no other reason for them to push it through anyway. That's their main goal here it seems, just get this through and they don't have to listen to anybody after that, they can make the rules whatever they want.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
    edited July 1

    omeone said abovee that the govt might removethe points system for descriptors for PIP and make it as hard as they likwe.

    Actually, I guess not, Why there are human rights e.g.

    duty of care i.e. they cant be cruel vicious or abusive, right to life, ditto, citizens right to respect. etc. etc.

    And Starmer's old firm said his bill will break human rights.

    Also

    I will be approaching Starmer's old law firm to see if they could take me on as a client and mount an action against the govt if need be.

    Determination, and love, allied with intellect makes for freedom, I will NEVER EVER give up.

    Pessimism is, in fact, and in law, not called for.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    Someone said Richard Burgon, my MP, would be a great Disability minister niot Timms.

    True dat.

    Why?

    Because he is in the Labour Disability Group and advocates our agenda as disabled people - and he is true socialist.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    Amaya_Ringo

    said we should ignore The Telegraphs right wing propaganda against us. We have a right of reply, as part of democracy, please Gogle it and USE it folks.

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 44 Contributor

    The Maskell amendment has been voted down. They're now voting on the Bill's second reading.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 297 Championing
    edited July 1

    What I don't understand about the Right Wing is that they will stand for the state pension and the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance yet utterly hate disabled or incapacitated people on benefits.

    I don't get it and I never have and never will. If they don't want anyone to be on the state then be consistent.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Old people vote, and they know the Tories will bat for them so they vote Tory.

  • MadMilan2019
    MadMilan2019 Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    frozenpelvis above asked is there a fairer system for PIP without constant stress of reassessments, yes there is, and yes you can.

    I heard of Article 2 of the ECHR years ago, and wrote to DWP re PIP and ESA assessments ,complaining they always made me suicide attempt, and they have a duty of care.

    I took further advice from CAB consultants who write the Tax Credits and Welfare Handbook

    and they advised no DWP assessments are necessary in law, DWP GPs often omit vital evidence from claimants, and the DWP can easily get info re illnesses from your GP and your hospital consultants.

    I haven't had a ESA or PIP assessment for 15 years.

    Do what I did.

    And gain peace of mind, make the DWP stick to human rights laws, and copy any letters to your MP. Complain to DWP if you have to.

    Be positive be strong survive. Even thrive.

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