Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
Comments
-
At this point they're still going to vote on a bill that doesn't include any of these concessions in writing, however.
Which is a problem if they decide not to bother including them after the vote goes through.
I am not sure about how legally binding a promise in the chamber is. I think they've been broken before.
It would still be better for the bill to be voted down and them to start again. With the review, and us.
3 -
Does anyone know what the **** is going on at the minute , I've never been more lost about everything in my whole life ! My OCD makes me crave certainty and order and there isn't any .... I'm literally finding it hard to even type , I spend sometimes days in the same position not being able to move , it's definitely going to be like that for the next few days , what we've had to go through over these past few months has been disgusting .... Need some rest bite
0 -
They Just want the bill passed even with Timms review scheduled for the autumn of 26 .…
The timms review won't listen to charities ect .…
With the bill passed they'll just introduce barbaric cuts .…
Why else would they proceed with the bill ? It should be pulled until after the timms review !
2 -
The obvious solution to PIP assessments is to get medically trained people to assess, it would add a watertight legitimacy to the claimants which no vindictive government could question.
This country is in a crisis of morality, it really is fractured though it's within online discourse, in public my mother says no hatred is directed at the disabled instead compassion and empathy from others to for example a person in a wheelchair.
1 -
The bill should be scrapped now and start from scratch.
What a shambles this is. Playing with peoples life’s like this.
Go back to the drawing board, invite disability charities, experts etc
2 -
They need to vote this down as I’m more suspicious now than I was before. Most of the bill is gone so what’s the point ? If this bill passes does it give Timms free rein to bring in the tougher criteria he obviously wants to ? Or will any future changes still need to be voted in ?
2 -
Unfortunately I have seen and encountered face to face discrimination for disability when the disability is not visible to the person making the comments.
3 -
Fully agree mrs BB. The government’s promise may sound reassuring, but when stripped back, it reveals something strikingly narrow. It offers just one safeguard, existing claimants will not be required to score four or more points in a single descriptor to qualify for daily living support. That is the full extent of their protection.
Beyond that, everything else remains open to change. They can rewrite the descriptors, reconfigure the scoring system and raise the thresholds. In essence, they retain the power to move the goalposts for existing claimants at any time, so long as they do not ask them to score four points in one place.
Are we really expected to believe that current claimants will remain protected indefinitely? That the millions poured into job centres and so-called ‘pathways to work’ are genuinely about supporting future claimants, those not yet receiving benefits, while millions already on PIP are left untouched under the old rules, quietly sidelined?
5 -
💯
2 -
True dat! secretsquirrel
0 -
They scrapped 4 point rule
0 -
This is looking more like PIP will continue as normal, with maybe some subtle changes here and there. The bonfire will be ESA, as literally NOBODY is talking about it.
2 -
I can't help wonder if this was their contingency plan all along, knowing they would face rebellion. There's no other reason for them to push it through anyway. That's their main goal here it seems, just get this through and they don't have to listen to anybody after that, they can make the rules whatever they want.
2 -
omeone said abovee that the govt might removethe points system for descriptors for PIP and make it as hard as they likwe.
Actually, I guess not, Why there are human rights e.g.
duty of care i.e. they cant be cruel vicious or abusive, right to life, ditto, citizens right to respect. etc. etc.
And Starmer's old firm said his bill will break human rights.
Also
I will be approaching Starmer's old law firm to see if they could take me on as a client and mount an action against the govt if need be.
Determination, and love, allied with intellect makes for freedom, I will NEVER EVER give up.
Pessimism is, in fact, and in law, not called for.
1 -
Someone said Richard Burgon, my MP, would be a great Disability minister niot Timms.
True dat.
Why?
Because he is in the Labour Disability Group and advocates our agenda as disabled people - and he is true socialist.
4 -
Amaya_Ringo
said we should ignore The Telegraphs right wing propaganda against us. We have a right of reply, as part of democracy, please Gogle it and USE it folks.
1 -
The Maskell amendment has been voted down. They're now voting on the Bill's second reading.
0 -
What I don't understand about the Right Wing is that they will stand for the state pension and the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance yet utterly hate disabled or incapacitated people on benefits.
I don't get it and I never have and never will. If they don't want anyone to be on the state then be consistent.
0 -
Old people vote, and they know the Tories will bat for them so they vote Tory.
0 -
frozenpelvis above asked is there a fairer system for PIP without constant stress of reassessments, yes there is, and yes you can.
I heard of Article 2 of the ECHR years ago, and wrote to DWP re PIP and ESA assessments ,complaining they always made me suicide attempt, and they have a duty of care.
I took further advice from CAB consultants who write the Tax Credits and Welfare Handbook
and they advised no DWP assessments are necessary in law, DWP GPs often omit vital evidence from claimants, and the DWP can easily get info re illnesses from your GP and your hospital consultants.
I haven't had a ESA or PIP assessment for 15 years.
Do what I did.
And gain peace of mind, make the DWP stick to human rights laws, and copy any letters to your MP. Complain to DWP if you have to.
Be positive be strong survive. Even thrive.
1
Categories
- All Categories
- 15.3K Start here and say hello!
- 7.2K Coffee lounge
- 88 Games den
- 1.7K People power
- 122 Announcements and information
- 24.1K Talk about life
- 5.7K Everyday life
- 406 Current affairs
- 2.4K Families and carers
- 864 Education and skills
- 1.9K Work
- 523 Money and bills
- 3.6K Housing and independent living
- 1K Transport and travel
- 882 Relationships
- 255 Sex and intimacy
- 1.5K Mental health and wellbeing
- 2.4K Talk about your impairment
- 863 Rare, invisible, and undiagnosed conditions
- 922 Neurological impairments and pain
- 2.1K Cerebral Palsy Network
- 1.2K Autism and neurodiversity
- 39.2K Talk about your benefits
- 6K Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
- 19.5K PIP, DLA, ADP and AA
- 8.1K Universal Credit (UC)
- 5.6K Benefits and income