Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Fully agree mrs BB. The government’s promise may sound reassuring, but when stripped back, it reveals something strikingly narrow. It offers just one safeguard, existing claimants will not be required to score four or more points in a single descriptor to qualify for daily living support. That is the full extent of their protection.
Beyond that, everything else remains open to change. They can rewrite the descriptors, reconfigure the scoring system and raise the thresholds. In essence, they retain the power to move the goalposts for existing claimants at any time, so long as they do not ask them to score four points in one place.
Are we really expected to believe that current claimants will remain protected indefinitely? That the millions poured into job centres and so-called ‘pathways to work’ are genuinely about supporting future claimants, those not yet receiving benefits, while millions already on PIP are left untouched under the old rules, quietly sidelined?
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True dat! secretsquirrel
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They scrapped 4 point rule
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This is looking more like PIP will continue as normal, with maybe some subtle changes here and there. The bonfire will be ESA, as literally NOBODY is talking about it.
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I can't help wonder if this was their contingency plan all along, knowing they would face rebellion. There's no other reason for them to push it through anyway. That's their main goal here it seems, just get this through and they don't have to listen to anybody after that, they can make the rules whatever they want.
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omeone said abovee that the govt might removethe points system for descriptors for PIP and make it as hard as they likwe.
Actually, I guess not, Why there are human rights e.g.
duty of care i.e. they cant be cruel vicious or abusive, right to life, ditto, citizens right to respect. etc. etc.
And Starmer's old firm said his bill will break human rights.
Also
I will be approaching Starmer's old law firm to see if they could take me on as a client and mount an action against the govt if need be.
Determination, and love, allied with intellect makes for freedom, I will NEVER EVER give up.
Pessimism is, in fact, and in law, not called for.
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Someone said Richard Burgon, my MP, would be a great Disability minister niot Timms.
True dat.
Why?
Because he is in the Labour Disability Group and advocates our agenda as disabled people - and he is true socialist.
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Amaya_Ringo
said we should ignore The Telegraphs right wing propaganda against us. We have a right of reply, as part of democracy, please Gogle it and USE it folks.
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The Maskell amendment has been voted down. They're now voting on the Bill's second reading.
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What I don't understand about the Right Wing is that they will stand for the state pension and the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance yet utterly hate disabled or incapacitated people on benefits.
I don't get it and I never have and never will. If they don't want anyone to be on the state then be consistent.
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Old people vote, and they know the Tories will bat for them so they vote Tory.
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frozenpelvis above asked is there a fairer system for PIP without constant stress of reassessments, yes there is, and yes you can.
I heard of Article 2 of the ECHR years ago, and wrote to DWP re PIP and ESA assessments ,complaining they always made me suicide attempt, and they have a duty of care.
I took further advice from CAB consultants who write the Tax Credits and Welfare Handbook
and they advised no DWP assessments are necessary in law, DWP GPs often omit vital evidence from claimants, and the DWP can easily get info re illnesses from your GP and your hospital consultants.
I haven't had a ESA or PIP assessment for 15 years.
Do what I did.
And gain peace of mind, make the DWP stick to human rights laws, and copy any letters to your MP. Complain to DWP if you have to.
Be positive be strong survive. Even thrive.
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Lot of anxuiety here as is natural, we are under pressure, our income is threatened.
However,
Anxiety is like wishing for your worst fear to come true.
BUT we need baby steps of mindfulnesses to actually make this real in positive emotion, not just an intellectual understanding.
Create your own programme of mindful kindly insights to reach peace of mind by dissolving anxiety, and focus on the things you enjoy.
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We shall see.. it is possible, we all need hope, and to keep campaigning, to write to our MPs, and thank them when they help us, and to keep writing to the media.
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Beth Rigby just said she's heard they will try and bring Timms review forward ....
How convenient !
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It was me who said that . I’m not being a pessimist just a realist . Do you really think they’ve gone through all this to save a bit on future uc health element. They have something up their sleeve I’m sure . I hope I’m wrong though
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just get the bill passed at any cost and then get back to the original plan on the old timescale.
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Yes it passed but we can still keep campaigning to reverse it and and between and at general elections, to reverse the changes. And make any govt of the day elderly and disabled friendly.
Remember there were delays, concessions, and the population is rapidly ageing with with more elderly and disabled voters.
NEVER GIVE UP, IF AT FIRST YOU DONT SUCCEED…
Summary
The government's welfare billpasses by 335 votes to 260after ministers made last-minute concessions to avoid a possible defeatThe timing of proposed changes to personal independence payments will bedelayed until after November 2026, and the release of a reviewThe latest U-turn came when the government saw that defeat was very realistic,writes our political editor Chris MasonBut someLabour MPs were angry that concessionscame too late to be voted on tonight - instead, they will have to be added to the bill at a later stageAn earlier amendment tabled by Labour MP Rachael Maskell to reject the bill was defeated by 328 votes to 149 votes. Some 42 Labour MPs rebelled against the government by voting for the amendmentThe government breathes a sigh of relief - but this isn't the end of it,writes our political correspondent Alex Forsyth
00:41Media caption,
Welfare reform bill is 'rushed' - Badenoch
Live Reporting
Edited by Alex Smith and Matt Spivey, with Brian Wheeler reporting from the House of Commons
Just after the vote, shadow work and pensions minister Helen Whately asks the Speaker if the bill should still be "rushed through" to be debated next week at committee stage, or be withdrawn by the government entirely.She says the bill was "ripped apart in front of our eyes" this afternoon, calling it a "shambles".The Speaker says scheduling is a matter of the government, not the chair.
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