Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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secret squirel said he doesnt know how Chemi Badenoch voted re the UC PIP Bill, but that Tory MPs abstained. For the ''parliamentary voting record '' Google it please re the Bill and get back to us.
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You can report him to Prliament for lying, MPs must be factual and truthful; please put in a complaint, its your right to ''informed choices consent and participation as a citizen voter'', and lies are not allowed.
See below
Nigel Farage was just ranting that fraudsters can get on PIP for life after a 10 minute zoom call with their GP. Absolutely clueless on every level.1 -
What scares me more farage may be in power by 2029 :-(
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Catherine says she feels defeated, and no doubt many will feel defeated depressed and anxious. But I contend its not a defeat.
Its neither success or failure but the courage to continue as Churchill said.
Also, I am not the only person ion this forum to say, we can reverse this partial defeat; it could have been a lot worse had we not campaigned.
This is the real test folks, are you prepared for the long march in between general elections, and in them to reverse the changes, and pursue any legal avenues given Starmer's old law firm said i the UC PIP Bill if passed would break human rights.
I am.
Just think how many years and tears, even decades the feminists, civil right movement MLK in USA, Mandela and Gandhi never gave up remained determined, optimistic and persistent before winning more human rights to vote, and freedom.
How courageous in adversity can you be, can we be, I think a lot, after the initial shock, of 'defeat'.
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i thought the lcwra was going to rise with inflation after these concessions.you can't believe a word this government says and i'll never vote for them again.this is clearly an attack on the disabled to compensate for they're disasterous budget.they should leave us all alone,amd i mean current claimmants and new claimmants alike.
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If you're getting LCWRA before April 2026, you'll continue to receive the higher rate, even if you're reassessed afterwards, as long as you still meet the LCWRA criteria. You won’t be treated as a new claimant, and you won’t be moved onto the reduced rate.
Importantly, the criteria for LCWRA itself is not changing in 2026. The actual test used to decide LCWRA status stays the same. What’s changing is the rate of payment and who qualifies for that rate, not the descriptors used in the assessment.
This payment protection for existing claimants lasts until the WCA is abolished in 2028 or 2029. After that, the UC health element will no longer be based on LCWRA, instead, it will depend on whether you qualify under PIP Daily Living criteria.
At that point, all claimants, new and existing, will need to meet the new rules to continue receiving health-related support. The current guarantee only applies between April 2026 and the end of the WCA.
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INDEED.
Let us keep going, and share this quote, and wonderful cartoon on social media, and write to Starmer loads of us quoting himself, c/o of MPs.
Keep up the pressure, and do not let him rest on hislaurels in 'vivtory'. Starmer is not a robot and will feel this oral and political pressure for disability justice, even if he willnot admit it.
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Catherine21 you are brilliant, courageous in the face of adversity to keep going.
I am thus acting SCOPE through this post to pass this on to their lawyers to see if there is a legal and moral case to answer , and to work with public health lawyers, Mind Legal Unit, Liberty and other pro bono /for good cause and free, lawyers.
Now is the time to double down, not give up.
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Cheers , yes exactly as I thought .... I definitely think I'll get one more reassessment and that would take me up to the pip new assessment , then we will just have to wait and see what the new criteria looks like and go from there .... I'm pretty sure the WCA won't be scrapped by the first of January 2028 , I'm confident everything will be in a big mess and delays will be almost certain
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Clause 5, the part of the bill that would have introduced the 4-point minimum rule for PIP daily living was withdrawn just 90 minutes before MPs voted. The last-minute nature of the decision threw Parliament into disarray. As one MP joked, “I popped out for a banana, and when I came back, the bill had changed again.”
That about sums it up. While Clause 5 was removed, the underlying policy direction hasn't gone away. Any changes to PIP eligibility will now rest on the Timms review, due in autumn 2026, and the government has already said it will implement its findings “as quickly as possible”.
So the concession that existing claimants were exempt from the 4-point rule was tied to Clause 5. Now that it’s gone, that protection isn’t written into law, and there's growing concern that the review could reintroduce similar restrictions in a new form.
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Churchill also told people to light coal fires when London was covered in fog look how that panned out
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I am not a cynic, ever, and would never aprove of Churxchilln follery of lighting coal fuires during fogs.
No one is perfect, mindfulness says, ignore the fool in yourself and others, and see their best wisest most compassionate side, then happiness and freedom will reign.
Be a cynic? if you want to; if you are healthily sceptical and rigorous for truth that is different?
None of this is personal.
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Just my opinion but I think they played a blinder . Instead of existing claimants being given concessions ( not saying it’s right) and new claimants having the 4? Point rule we now gave a situation where we lose our concessions and that means more savings in the long run. It seems like a step backwards. Our only hope is Timms cannot get away with this a second time and any new rules also come under scrutiny and to the vote
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She said exactly that , because she doesn’t want our children to be left paying for the disabled. As though those children will never have the misfortune of becoming sick or disabled and need pip themselves
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You know the more I think about it properly....
Even for people in my situation of being on CBESA and LCWRA but no pip , the main worry for us , was exactly the same for people on pip
Ok we didn't want to have to mess with pip at all , but if we really had to it was the 4 point rule that was the real worry ....
When you look back at yesterday it's actually quite unbelievable to think about what took place and how completely chaotic it was
Little bit of food for thought aswell.... Serious reform has now well and truly gone out the window for this parliament , so now it will be two years before Timms report will be ready , can you imagine if a year before election they start to try and bring in controversial plans , it would be suicide in terms of the general election....so I think there could be a good chance that Timms and the government go a bit easier on it based on things
Also they know that they would probably get the vote from people on benefits ( not because people like them ) but because farage and kemi would be 10 times worse ! .... So they would need to play things clever ..... They might be incompetent vile cretins but there not stupid .... Obviously just a take on it
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@chiarieds Good advice as always. I'm going say to myself in the coming days reading anything online 'Is something a FACT or is it an opinion?'
A fact is a statement that can be verified.It can be proven to be true or false through objective evidenceAn opinion is a statement that expresses a feeling, an attitude, a value judgment, or a belief.
for this.
We need to challenge Farage's lies
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Stating a fact is not inherently cynical as far as I am aware
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Removing clause 5 significantly increases the chances of the bill being certified as a money bill, since what remains is almost entirely financial in substance. Whether it actually meets the strict definition set out under the Parliament Act will ultimately rest on the Speaker’s certification, but given the current precedent hopping climate, anything is possible.
Frankly, I’ve never seen such procedural chaos. I genuinely hoped common sense might prevail and that the bill would be paused until after the Timms reviews. But Rachel seems firmly focused on banking that LCW saving in time for next April, so she can count it in her November budget. In my own opinion, the only consultation happening here is with the calculator.
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I think you have a point here . When I was emailing the Tory’s I said there are all these disabled votes and you need voters . It’ll be the same in 28/29 . Labour needs a voting a base and to get rid of starmer. I did read it was Rayner who negotiated the scrapping of the pip section yesterday. Was that simply to help herself win favour as starmers days are numbered or was it a way to help us ?
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