The Universal Credit Bill becomes law. Here are the changes to disability benefits you need to know

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  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,852 Championing

    It would be David Lammy !

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 155 Empowering

    where there's a will there's a way …

    some standing MP could/would resign paving the way for Burnham to become an MP

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,490 Championing

    Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, will make no difference to us.

  • jw68
    jw68 Online Community Member Posts: 64 Empowering
  • Cherry70
    Cherry70 Online Community Member Posts: 45 Contributor

    If it is true that racism is a mental illness/ distortion/delusion, I can’t help but wonder what else Nigel Farage has yet to be diagnosed with…

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,816 Championing

    Can't even go there with farage im hoping some miracle happens and starmer gets out and a person with a soul emphty takes his place keep manifesting people keep manifesting stranger things have happened since my fifi gone i couldn't give a damn I will fight them all the way day by day

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,654 Championing

    People still think Sir Keir Starmer is the bad guy???

    🤣 🤣 🤣

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,816 Championing
  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Re:jw68,

    I'm afraid I've come to the conclusion that it is what people want. This country is about the haves and have not. The ones that have(jobs that is) couldn't care less about the ones that don't. This government and the previous ones think they made a mistake bringing into existence working tax credit and uc. They think they now have to get rid of them benefits and others, to get back to how it was. Ironically Labour started all this by getting rid of old system and introducing esa and the like. It was called invalidity benefit etc. Labour have only just started. Getting rid of rayner has just prolonged the procedure. Mark my words. Starmer needs to go. But he won't. Labour mps won't get rid of him, they're to frightened of losing there gravy train.

    Isn't this what this is really all about? Be honest with yourself, you must know it's true, not a single one of those 600 odd mps are in it for any of us have not.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,654 Championing
    edited September 18

    Socrates,

    1. It has always been that way and yes, that's austerity for you!

    2. This is rooted in an ESA scam which began before Keir Starmer was even an MP! The villain is Iain Duncan Smith. The year is 2011 (Coalition government). Cemented by the Welfare Reform Act 2012. Effective from 1st April (haha) 2013 and it's called Universal Credit.

    The rest is just noise. The collaborators would love a leadership contest to distract you from their connivance! It will change nothing.

  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Hi cherry 70,

    Re:your earlier your post about farage with the garage (mouth,) he almost reminds of a kid I once knew at school.He was new to us. Bit of a novelty in fact. He spoke ridiculously in 2 different ways, 1st he talk quite eloquently. almost posh. But the more he spoke, he would eventually lapse into "northern speak". Quite bizarre. Couldn't help but laugh at him and his speech defect. It eventually transpired that his dad was a drug runner and his mum spent her life looking after him and the kid…charming! He tried so hard get rid of his family and past, by constantly putting down folk who he considered quote, people beneath him, unqoute. Now.. My question is not really about race etc. But can someone please tell me the difference between the boy at school, farage, starmer and all the other mp's who sit in the house of commons and play god with decisions…when the fancy takes them that is, in other words when they could be bothered to show up!! In my humble opinion when I was talking of the boy and his past my mind immediately goes to starmer. The boy who grew up to be pm and his dad was a tool maker. I since been told that's not all the story. Apparently his dad owned the tool making business. He should read the tale of icarus.. I digress

  • Cherry70
    Cherry70 Online Community Member Posts: 45 Contributor

    Hi Socrates63,
    Good point — politicians do seem to polish their backstories, and it often feels like image matters more to them than actually showing up for people. I think part of the problem is that some circles look down on anyone with a diagnosis, ignoring the realities of their lives and the diversity of their experiences. Politicians can fall into the same trap — reducing people to labels instead of seeing the bigger picture. Obviously they’re not all the same — I’ll always remember Uruguay’s former president, “the poorest president,” who lived so simply and put people first. Shows it can be done differently.José “Pepe” Mujica from Uruguay He donated about 90% of his salary to charity and to supporting small farmers and low-income people🍒

  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Hi, reading whatThe post, I agree with what you said about Ian Duncan Smith being the architect of uc and esa, but it was originally an idea by the previous Labour government (Blair and brown) who laid the foundations for esa. It was tories who took it over and made it more elaborate and Duncan Smith introduced uc. bit puzzled by the end of your post though.do you mean starmer was totally unaware of Ian Duncan Smith when he introduced uc? What I say is Smith adapted his inheritance from labour(primative form of esa) and adjusted it. Fast forward 20 odd years starmer attempts to do the same thing with uc. Just because starmer wasn't around doesn't mean he isn't planning. But as for collaborators, who are the collaborators?they can only be like minded politicians. We are seeing it again right before our eyes. Politicians leaving their parties to join other parties after being with there original parties for years. Finally showing their true colours! Good riddance to them. That's what I say. starmer joined the Labour Party. Maybe because the tories didn't want him. I suspect the reason was starmer would have been a small fish in a big pond(at the time). No way could starmer accept that. It would do folk well to listen to starmer today. All he talks about is money. ask yourself, money for who? Already folk are inflating the amount of money. Yesterday it 50 billion today it's 100 billion. Absolute rubbish. Of there are collaborators, there always is. That's the transparency you, I, and all the others will never know. Mainly because it doesn't never has, never will exist.

  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Hi, cherry 70,

    Totally agree with your post about the Uruguay guy. I remember reading something very similar to what you said about him. Believe it or not it was apparently common knowledge in other parts of the world that at the time that Lenin did pretty much the same thing. Although he lived in the kremlin and did have servants to do his bidding, he was the 1st politician to only accept a working wage, so they say. So I do take on board what you said. What a crying shame that they are and always will be a very rare commodity.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,816 Championing

    I got till December 4th to do UC claim going to do now hopefully done by Xmas I get esa Tuesday shall I apply then

  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Hi Catherine 21,

    For what it's worth, ring cab. They will tell you when is the best time. My guess is they'll agree with you and do it after your next esa. A point in interest, I rang cab, they told me when to do it. They told me apply a month later. But that was because of rise at the time coming into effect (more pennies in effect). Cab were brilliant for me. I suggested a phone interview because I'm not tech savvy. They agreed. So I rang month later and pretty basic stuff. Bank details hb details if applicable etc. Lasted about 30 minutes. Told me not to worry about no passport. Said might need to go local jobcentre, but week later told me not needed. They arranged and rang my local council for hb(another form of ID). During next month couple of txt messages from uc asking me to ring. You have to play ball and ring when asked. They don't answer straight away. Anyway all sorted within 2-3weeks.iwas on esa before. They'll put you in new style esa plus uc. 2 different benefits. The uc being part of the health component. I was bit like you. Not sure when to go for it, but just asked myself that I knew it was coming so get it over with. Best thing I did when I rang them. Didn't wait 3months.whats the point? I had friend in same boat as me but he elected to go online with it. Nowt but trouble since. Good luck with the claim and all the best. For what it's worth I'd do it now, and plan for Xmas. All the best. Socrates

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,654 Championing

    Socrates, yes, Stephen Timms signed off ESA in March 2008 but IDS single-handedly corrupted ESA in June 2011 by inserting a "Correction Slip" into new published ESA regulations.

    By collaborators I mean those sitting MPs who supported the Welfare Reform Act 2012 then supported cuts to ESA/LCW in the Welfare Reform and Work Bill 2015. Tinkering with LCWRA is the logical next step but it didn't come out of the blue as people seem to think.

    Yes, I doubt that Starmer or any new MP has ever been advised on the consequences of that "Correction Slip". Nobody here knows what I'm talking about either!

  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Hi WhatThe

    I agree with what you say in your last post. I remember those days well No doubt you also know how an awful lot of people in Joe public don't know the sequence of events. They just remember tories taking over then manipulating esa then introducing what they thought was their jewel in the crown and there Chancellor introducing it in the commons as a "herculian" effort by IDS. Can't fault you what you said about the backbenchers who supported the bill(on every side). Makes me feel ill about IDS being compared to hercules.hercules' mother must be turning in grave!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,654 Championing
    edited September 18

    Hi Socrates, I don't remember hearing the Hercules remarks.

    IDS resigned because he thought George Osborne had given the game away with a hint in his 2016 budget speech. Then he blamed the Chancellor for his own £12 billion cut to welfare benefits.

    I watched as Owen Smith (L) helped a forgetful Stephen Crabb (C) get that Bill over the line at third reading before trying to unseat Jeremy Corbyn during the Brexit campaign of lies in 2016. We have IDS to thank for Brexit, too..

  • Socrates63
    Socrates63 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    Hi whatthe,

    I remember it like it was yesterday.the sight of IDS standing in the doorway of the commons gloating with pride about himself and how Osborne praised his efforts still make me cringe even now.