WW3 ?

Wibbles
Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,834 Championing

Is anyone else scared that the Ukraine war is going to expand and turn into WW3 ?

I am convinced that Putin is absolutely insane and nothing (Trump or Chinese influence) is going to stop him……

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  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,040 Championing

    I can't imagine enough countries agreeing nowadays to make a world war again.

    Something will stop Putin eventually. But I don't think it'll be Trump.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,512 Championing

    @Wibbles

    No, Wibbles, I am not scared. I grew up during the panic over nuclear attack in the 1970s and 1980s. I remember the worry it caused, especially for families who could not afford a fallout shelter or even the materials to build one at home. Every night, public broadcasts told us how to survive the unthinkable. Protect and Survive booklets came through every door.

    When people talk about World War Three now, they do not mean soldiers marching. They mean sudden escalation, missiles without warning. And the truth is, we have no control over any of it. I have already lived through one round of nuclear panic. I will not be dragged into another.

    I actually found the old Protect and Survive booklet online, see link below. I still remember how much fear it caused. They even gave us warnings in school. It didn’t calm anyone down. It just made the panic feel official.

    So yes, I understand why people are worried now. The language has changed, but the feeling is familiar. Back then, we were told to survive with cardboard, tins and a stiff upper lip. Today, it is headlines and speculation. But just like before, most of it is noise.

    The truth is, we have lived through this kind of fear before. And nothing came of it. No mushroom clouds. No fallout rooms. Just quiet resilience and a nation that carried on. We can do that again.

    http://www.roc-heritage.co.uk/uploads/7/6/8/9/7689271/protectandsurvive.pdf

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering

    We had lots of lectures on WW3 back in the cold war days and I remember one expert saying that even if WW3 did start then it dosen't have to go nuclear.

    The danger point will probably be if China and Taiwan kick off, that could be next the next thing to happen.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,834 Championing

    I don't think that China is a worry - they need the west for sales !

    I think that N Korea could cause problems though - they are run by another madman who would love to bring USA in to a war !

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,834 Championing

    So did I - I remember "duck and cover" - getting under school desks in case of a bomb - not that that would have helped any………..

  • Saraid
    Saraid Online Community Member Posts: 6 Listener

    I remember watching a late night BBC discussion programme in the late 1990s. They were discussing their thoughts on what the 21st century would be like. The one that stuck in my mind was the retired univesity lecturer, can't remember his name. He said fear is the only weapon goverments have and he believed it would be used with powerful effect. Sure enough, since the dwning of 2000, we've had no end of scary news stories. Everything from Russian spies posioning people, avian flu, the return of foot and mouth, Sars, Covid, terrorism attacks and goodness knows what else.

    No, I'm not scared because I know, behind the scenes, these politicians are all talking to each other, making deals, working out who gets the contracts to rebuild ruined cities etc.

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,416 Championing

    Not much we can do about it, really. Our lot can't even get public transport sorted. 🚎

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,100 Championing

    No, I was a teenager in the 80s so the threat of nuclear war was more then. We were doing about it at school. Plus seeing threads on tv , made it scary. It's on I player. Even the bands made songs about it like Frankie goes to Hollywood, Ultravox, Duran Duran etc

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,512 Championing

    That BBC lecturer was essentially pointing out how fear can influence public behaviour, and in today’s world, it moves faster than ever thanks to the internet and social media. The 21st century twist is the sheer speed and volume of alarming news, creating a kind of constant background anxiety. It’s remarkably effective at keeping attention fixed on the headlines, while quieter decisions unfold elsewhere, away from public scrutiny. Staying calm, thinking clearly, and resisting the pull of groupthink remains one of the most rational and powerful responses we have.

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering

    There was film that came out in about 1983 called "Threads" about the UK in a nuclear war.

    It was quite a big thing at that time and I think the government banned it or tried to.

    It shows how seriously things were taken back in the cold war era.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 412 Trailblazing

    In the 80s, I was young/newly married. My (then) husband and I had the quickest route worked out from his workplace to my workplace. Our plan was to run as fast as we could towards each other in the hope we'd meet before being vapourised.

    Now, I'm quite fortunate in that a) I'm old, and b) I live in close proximity to a nuclear arsenal here in Scotland. So, I'll be instantly crispy when the first missle lands.

    So, now, if/when the warning comes, I'll just open a bottle of nice vodka and drink it until it and I evaporate.

    Having watched so many documentaries/movies on the topic, the very last thing I'd want is to survive a nuclear attack. ::shudder::

    FWIW, I think it will kick off due to Israel nuking Iran, and escalate from there.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,512 Championing

    I had never heard of Threads until you mentioned it. I watched it on YouTube last night. It was first shown on BBC2 in 1984 as a drama, not banned, although I can see why people thought that. It was graphic for the time.

    What really surprised me was how many clips of commentary from the era I found about the programme, and the fact that it was shown in schools to children as young as ten. It was considered educational, intended to raise awareness about nuclear war. Threads now carries a 15 rating. Back in 1984, it aired just before age classifications for home viewing became law under the Video Recordings Act.

    The idea that it was shown in schools to ten year old's as “educational” speaks volumes about Cold War urgency. As you can imagine, there were a lot of angry parents whose young children were deeply disturbed and upset after watching. The urgency of the era seemed to override any concern for emotional impact. There is also a lot of commentary available now, including clips and interviews from the time and later retrospectives, which show just how seriously the broadcast and the threat of war at the time was taken.

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 945 Empowering

    I’m in the generation that was shown ‘Threads’ at school. It terrified us all. I re-watched it not long ago and it still had a huge impact on me.

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering

    I was 19 back in 1984, I remember it being spoken about on TV political shows and on the TV news that time.

    I never knew about it being shown in schools though, that's surprised me especially showing it to 10 year olds.

    Russia having 3 leaders all die in the space of about 4 years in the early 1980's probably made things worse as well, people never knew what sort of leader would take over.

    They actually had 4 different leaders in the 1980's.

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering
  • Starman
    Starman Online Community Member Posts: 1,140 Empowering

    As with most 'conflicts' nowadays, they will probably solve it by doing 'deals,' underhand or otherwise, the same as in Ukraine hopefully sooner rather than later. Putin should be put on trial for war crimes, but will he be? I seriously doubt it, totally different to the world in the 40's when Hitler, who you could compare Putin to? Would have been if he hadn't killed himself in his bunker, unless of course you believe in the conspiracy theories surrounding all that…..

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering

    When Threads came out in 1984 I was 19 and remember it being talked about a lot on the TV shows and news at that time.

    I never knew it was shown at schools though.

    What made things worse at that time was probably 3 Russian leaders dying within about 4 years in the early 1980's, people were worried about who would take over.

    Gorbachev was their 4th leader in about 5 years at that time.

    That's if my memories right !!

  • KG100
    KG100 Online Community Member Posts: 298 Empowering
  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,834 Championing

    Netanyahu and Jong-Un and to a lesser extent Xi-Jinping as well - I don't trust any of them.

  • Starman
    Starman Online Community Member Posts: 1,140 Empowering

    Nope, that's politics for you i suppose…..🤔