Ring, Ring...is Highly Unlikely!
 
            Do you ever get the impression that you are the only person who picks up a telephone and actually goes ahead and dials somebody? Do you ever suspect that, if you did not do so, then your own phone wouldn't have no us at all in your life? I have "acquaintances" (I call them that because they've no idea how to be friends) and one or two family members. I swear that, if I didn't phone them, I'd probably never hear from them, again!
The overnight hours are the worst: not counting the high pitched whistle of tinnitus, everything is so deathly silent! All around me, in the town in which I live, folk are either asleep or on their way to it. Out of my "acquaintances", one has known me for 42 years an she has never (not even once) phoned me, to see how I am; one has known me for 30 years (from CB Radio, in fact) and has never phoned me (not even once) to see how I am...and, so the pattern forms, and seems to reform!
When they have a problem, the phone rings, but...after I've helped them with that problem, I know what happens next...those artificial friends busy themselves, wrapping me back up in my personal ghost town of social deadness!
I suppose this is the type of life that forms at the end of 17 years of being caged up in this house with agoraphobia, against which no therapy has ever been effective!
I'm not a newbie, but I'm glad to be back!
Ian.
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            Reverse the charges just to rattle things up gotta laugh or we may cry ....1
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            Hi @IanHaines
 Welcome back !!!!!!
 Yes your situation a big problem country wide !!!!
 Please please contact us for "Help & Support"
 Don't "Feel" on your own anymore as we are here for you as & when "Required"
 Many thanks.
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            Hello @IanHaines I am like yourself. I can identify this situation all the time. What is perculiar is that when someone who does ring up who is supposed to be a friend or accidently ring up for something. I had this sort of friend me more friends with him. Suddenly sent me a text one night . I am sitting down watching Strictly and the mobile goes off. Next few minutes I had to say hang on can it wait. You have not spoken to me for nearly getting on for months. I stood me ground and about come half eight ringing me to say I am lonely the name of his ex wife got a new man and what can he do about it. I was flabbergasted and had to say a few choices of words. Which he could not believe his ears. Remember I had tried and failed to contact these sort of fairweather friends. Sent numerous texts and phone calls everytime no response. I had enough I am now on my own but I am not being differcult and do now rely on sometimes my judgement. I had this recently and was being used. I do have a lad up the road who I can contact if I wish to but I know he has a partner who has similar problems like myself. I will only ring if I have an issue or a problem with something. I am one of these people who does not like someone being in my face. I have good morals and Christian values and will help anybody. Some times have trust issues with people. I believe out there are people who are like you and me and others in our community. Unfortunately now in my early fifties still seeking those who like myself. In the past used and abused for everything from money and personal stuff plus my use of my car plus have suffered mate crime. Hope and pray for those like myself. Thank you for reading this and I hope you find comfort.0
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            Hi.
 Thanks, folks!
 Cathie: I know them well enough to suspect that they'd refuse, call me, and they'd reverse the charges - it would become the battle of the techie stuff!
 Steve51: Thanks for that, Steve. I don't know what your preference is in contact terms for the "Help and Support". Posting? E Mailing? Phone?
 TheSpiceMan: Yep...you know what this is like! Getting the point across sometimes seems like pleading, begging or criticising, to those who do this sort of thing with us. If I confronted them, I'd feel like I was some emotional charity case, but I frequently get angry enough to do so. Sometimes, on the phone, I'll say to one of them, "I heard you had a GP appointment and just wondered how it went and what you were given...friends do that - ya know?" It's never made the slightest difference, so I've tended to avoid it in more recent months. We just cannot get across, to these people, that they are not behaving as friends do. The odd thing, also, is that, in common telephone chats, they often show that they refer to me, to other people, as being a friend. They need to take time out and revise what "friend" really means. Sometimes, I'm just too hardcore proud to tell them how they are failing one of the codes of sincere friendship. Silly situation, really.
 Ian.
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            Hello @IanHaines thank you for replying. I like you comments on GP appointments. Had same experience I recall one lad rang me up because he seems to visit his GP for every little thing. His words were got told off by this locum and told have to change. Might not see me next time and will have to look at everything. Rang me a disabled gentleman with mental health issues. Never inquired asked about me ever. I am in to my diet and health to keep me positive and my wellbeing. Plus my spices and herbs. Well he got told why not with every ounce of negativity on the phone every question. I need someone like you I said in a few words I could get in come with me to leisure centre. The gym that ended the chat and he stopped talking and cut me off. I laughed out loud first time for ages. Sorry if I was being insensitive which I was not. I had this lad in my ears for two hours plus banging on how he was and this and that. I had a feeling that he will never change. I also recall seem him in the place where I live and straight away avoid me. Which is good because he will remain the same. I like to think I can move on and try to be positive and try and be well.1
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            And, here I am, around 8 years later, finding that the problem is no better. I'm still one of the great unphonables, according to the world of those who know me. They're on the phone pretty quickly when they want/need something. When I'm alone and lonely, they can't stay on the phone long enough to even ask how I am. Then, after the first call, or the first couple of calls, their phone goes to voicemail - for weeks or months. In the end, lonely people, I suspect, give off a vibe of a spiritual kind that acts like a field of repellent radiation, stranding the emitter in their own company and that of nobody else. 
 Times don't change, do they?1
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            It sounds like the people you refer to may have the wrong idea of what a friendship is There's an argument that a healthy friendship involves people who can actually cope just fine without each other… because then when you spend time together it's because you're enhancing each others' lives, not because you're using each other to fill holes that are missing In other words you want to spend time together, you don't just do it because you have to It sounds like your friends contact you when they need you for that something, but when they can get by without you, there's no desire to That's not a reflection on you, but them…you just need to find people who value you, not who see you as a resource to be tapped into Easier said than done I know but you'll get there 1
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            I've spent the past 8 years continuing to look for people. It's been one long mission destined to fail, it seems. Mental health problems appear to make the sufferers too much work to inspire people to stick around and try to help. 
 No wonder mental health patients take so long to be helped, adequately…there is no stable social platform for them to rest on, for encouragement and support.
 It's almost like mental health trouble makes us some inferior form of life, to them. Right at that time when we need them, they are the least available to us.
 Pining for the right company isn't an attractive thing to be reduced to. Wanting even to settle for social scraps from the tables of others is positively ugly and is humiliating. Why is it that it's never those people pining for us? Why must we be the outsiders…the social rejects…The Disregards?0
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            r.e. your last paragraph, I'd not use the word unattractive but I think the signals it sends tend to be picked up by people looking for (not necessarily intentionally) an unhealthy friendship The way I understand it is there comes a point where you're content not doing this, not that no friendship is ideal, just it's better than an unhealthy one. Then, you (naturally, not consciously) start sending out a different signal, i.e. "I can take care of my life, being friends with you would just enhance my life", I think that's when healthy friendships develop The way it was summed up to me, "the best friendships aren't based on need", I don't necessarily agree it's that black-and-white. I personally think it's okay to "need" friends on some levels, and I'd be touched to be considered "needed". I guess the nature of that need is the crucial difference? Relying on a friend in order to function is a huge burden on them, especially if they have health issues of their own. Perhaps there a sweet spot where the need is flattering, but not a burden. To make it more complicated I imagine that sweet spot is different for every person! I agree about your mental health/social platform comment. The thing that's helped me as much as, probably more than, any doctor is being able to go to groups to interact with peers who are in a similar situation to me. With agoraphobia pretty much ruling that out it must be hard. After so many years you've probably already considered all the options so I'm assuming you've looked at online groups over Zoom and similar programs? I don't mean ones like this (although helpful) but more ones organised for certain people by a professional, so you're more likely to meet peers who are in a relatable position. I'm in the opposite situation to you as I can go out but not use the phone/voice chat, so have no experience; but if you're confident speaking on the phone this could be an option? 0
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            Hi Ian and welcome back to Scope 😊 In this digital age, people communicate by other means, that's all! I used to spend hours on the phone but now can't bear the ringtone so it's switched off and I wait for a voicemail to decide whether to answer or not. If there's no message, it wasn't important. Even my mobile phone vibration alert annoys me. Did you know we have to change our apparatus by the end of the year? Landlines are going digital. I think I'd be flattered if somebody wanted my advice or needed to borrow something. People don't particularly want to hear about medical problems (especially younger people). The outdoor world is so noisy these days that when I get home, I need silence to recover from the stress. I have a radio to keep me company when I do want to hear music or voices. 0
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 Thanks, for the replies, folks. People who refer to themselves as being my friends ought to take time out and examine what they do, at their end, to honour the title. I've simply stopped being there for those who are hit-and-run types. They've noticed, too. I'm now on a continuous watch…for new friends - friends who know what the word means. I'll just keep hunting on.
 (Is there a thread about the digital changeover, for the landline phone systems?)0
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            Good luck 😊 I think I'd say not to hunt (though I know that was probably a figure of speech) - you'll just realise naturally when you get on with someone, when your primary motive isn't to make friends My best closest friends both online and offline, I honestly wouldn't have thought any of them would be my best friends at the start of knowing them - I'd not have said they wouldn't, just it didn't cross my mind and I just let things happen naturally. I enjoyed the moment not trying to build something for the future I think maybe trying to force a friendship has the opposite effect, just embrace when you find someone you get on with, instead of worrying about or working towards something in the future You sound like an interesting person and I'd enjoy chatting with you more 😊 0
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            (Is there a thread about the digital changeover, for the landline phone systems?)Not yet. All I know is we're meant to get a discount on the new apparatus but I've heard nothing from my provider. No idea what it will cost us to switch. I expected to know more by now. 0
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            I don't know if it's the same thing but I have a neighbour in her 80s and her husband in his 90s who had to pay £12.50 a month on top of their phone bill to lease an internet-ready fibre optic line to replace their old copper phone line 🙁 It seems unfair as they don't need the capabilities, I'd like to think if someone in that position was on benefits they may get some support 0
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            It might be wise if there was a separate thread, for this subject, because it must be something that folk are made aware of and would be helpful if anybody knows what to do next, about this. Otherwise, it's gonna be a bit of a shock, to many. I'd quite forgotten about big-tech's tampering, myself, come to think of it. When it ain't broken, they just go on fixing it! Slightly pointless, in my case, because my use of the landline is almost non-existent. 0
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            I am with BT and had the change over to digital voice about 5 months ago. It didn't cost anything. I suppose it will depend on where you live and if fiber optic is installed nearby. I pay £20 a month (on a social tariff ) and I get broadband and free phone calls. I think I was offered a new phone at the time but I just plugged my old phone into the modem and that was that. 0
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