UK spying bank accounts: Eligibility Verification Measure

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,715 Championing

    @Passerby

    Thanks for sharing your insights and your programming background. That kind of experience gives you a valuable perspective on how complex financial systems can be.

    That said, once this bill becomes law, banks will not have the option to say no. Just like they had to comply with HMRC under money laundering rules, they will be legally required to take part in smart data schemes if designated. It is not voluntary, it is statutory.

    And the costs? Banks have to foot the bill. Just look at the money laundering regime. Banks are charged supervision fees, application fees, and sanctions administration fees by HMRC to comply with something they did not choose. Those fees went up this year.

    The same principle will apply if the DWP monitoring bill passes, it becomes a legal obligation, and banks have to comply and fund it, and continue paying for the privilege of enforcing a policy they never asked for.

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  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 7,774 Championing

    I have over £6k on paper, but due to Cost of Living payments disregarded my money is under £6k.

    This was confirmed to me by UC during a financial review in late 2023.

    So what happens when this bill goes through and my account gets flagged?

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  • alexroda
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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    it probably will, however it’s unclear cause they arent stating what exactly are the Eligibility Verification Notices going to ask for.

    However, if it gets flagged, the draft law it’s very clear that then your details will be passed on to a human being who will check your account etc.

  • FAFB
    FAFB Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener

    Hi. Can i check something. Will the banks give DWP basic information (like name, account number) anyway or would this information only be passed on if something is flagged? Thanks

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    hi

    Reading through the draft law, my understanding is that banks won’t be doing checks automatically, but it would be the DWP sending Eligibility Verification Notices to the bank. Then the bank will check the account and send back the info requested by DWP.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,715 Championing
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    Under the proposed Fraud, Error and Recovery Bill, banks become data providers. They are not monitoring accounts or deciding who gets looked at. They simply hand over information when legally asked.

    At present, the DWP can only request bank account data if they already suspect fraud. The new bill expands those powers. If the DWP’s internal systems flag a possible anomaly, such as a mismatch between declared income and other details, they can issue an Eligibility Verification Notice. Once issued, the bank is legally required to provide a snapshot of the account. This change is set out in the bill. It gives the DWP more power to request data without needing fraud suspicion first. The bank does not investigate or assess anything, it just supplies the data when asked.

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Online Community Member Posts: 178 Contributor

    hi. Are you saying they still have to suspect wrongdoing before requesting data

    I thought the way this was going to work was the banks would be issued with a notice to look through accounts and report savings over 16k to the dwp.

    Did I misunderstand?

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  • MW123
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    It is important to clarify that banks will not be required to monitor every customer account. The proposed legislation does not introduce blanket surveillance, rather, it authorises a more targeted approach.

    If enacted, the bill would grant the Department for Work and Pensions new powers to issue an Eligibility Verification Notice. This would compel banks to provide financial information about individuals who are claiming, or even just applying for, certain benefits.

    The crucial change lies in the threshold for state access. At present, the DWP may only request such information where there is a reasonable suspicion of fraud. Under the proposed reforms, this safeguard would be removed. Merely making a claim for support could prompt the DWP to request account details directly from the claimant’s bank, regardless of any suspicion of wrongdoing.

    Thus, while banks are not being asked to monitor everyone, they could be obliged to supply information about selected accounts identified by the DWP, without notifying the account holder. This is the central concern, targeted, covert access to private finances without consent or cause.

    This proposal goes beyond a narrow focus on fraud prevention. It raises pressing questions about transparency, proportionality, and the expansion of state authority into private financial matters. Understandably, many, including myself, find such a shift deeply troubling.

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Online Community Member Posts: 178 Contributor

    hi

    Found this. Looking at the tables at the bottom. It only mentions capital and abroad fraud.
    I’m wondering why it doesn’t mention any other category?

    Thanks

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-authorities-fraud-error-and-recovery-bill-2025-factsheets/dwps-eligibility-verification-powers-in-the-public-authorities-fraud-error-and-recovery-bill-factsheet

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,715 Championing

    That was interesting about Switzerland’s banking system. I do not know much about the Swiss banking system, but I do know how things have worked here in the UK for decades. Banks already run 24/7 algorithmic checks for suspicious activity, which is standard under anti-money laundering and fraud rules.

    My concern with this Bill is not just the surveillance, it is the shift in tone. It reads as though claimants cannot be trusted to tell the truth, so the system will quietly check behind their backs instead.

    And it does not stop there. The Bill also gives the DWP powers to recover money directly from people’s bank accounts and to ask the courts to suspend driving licences where welfare debts are unpaid.

    Surely the claimant has a right to know if there is a problem with their benefits or claim, not just receive something out of the blue. That would be incredibly distressing. Transparency should be the baseline. If there is a query, why not simply ask the claimant for bank statements and explain what is being looked at?

    Without proper safeguards, this approach risks normalising the quiet erosion of privacy, one automated check at a time.

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    agreed, I would add:

    The current draft doesn’t specify what exactly are those eligibility indicators and the eligibility verification notices so they could actually request any info they want under the title elegibility indicators and no one would know what info is being passed on to the DWP cause the information provided. won’t be shared with the claimant.


    and the fact they could add any benefit they want to the bill without proper scrutiny.

    Only authoritarian states act like that. Thus Liebour government, I’m sorry to say needs to be replaced asap, really bad for democracy.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    I find very hard to understand that there are 650 people going through this bill, with their advisors, plus all the lords and NONE of them have noticed these issues we are discussing here. Either we are completely mistaken or Parliament currently represents the worse of our society.

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    that’s exactly right, and people who support this law, will be next and they don’t even know it, lol.