UK spying bank accounts: Eligibility Verification Measure

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering
    edited October 25

    trouble is they aren’t dealing with the issue, which is the widespread corruption and fraud within the public institutions and the ones who pay for it are the rest normal citizens, all under the banner of security etc.

    It’s beyond belief that people can’t see through it.

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    but you aren’t an MP. They are meant to SERVE the public regardless of the party they belong to.

    IF THEY DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE OTHERS, THEY SHOULD GET ANOTHER JOB.

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    our only hope now is for a member of the public or a freedom rights organisation to take this to a tribunal once it comes into effect.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    God truly awful remember post office scandal its unbearable that's what they want we are trapped we thought we would be getting a fairer compassionate party its ended up worse and im sorry to say it doesn't end here

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Why dont they change leadership is there any chance of that happening and the thought of farage is just as scary i think this is to much for people I can feel myself getting scared again its impossible to deal with life let alone this

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Been reading will start in April 2026 ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Seems no ones challenging them at all with anything I read this will be starting April 2026 I despair with it all not that have anything to hide its the trust levels I dont have any in them

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,715 Championing

    @Passerby

    Fully agree with you. The idea that this Bill “fixes a gap” in fraud powers is pure spin.

    HMRC has shared banking data with the DWP for years. The DWP already has powers to compel third party data, investigate fraud, and act on suspicious activity under existing laws, including the Proceeds of Crime Act. That’s not new.

    And the Carer's Allowance scandal proved the issue isn’t lack of tools, it’s failure to use them. The DWP had real time overpayment alerts and still let carers rack up debt without warning.

    What this Bill does is remove the need for suspicion entirely. It lets the DWP request bank data just because someone applied for benefits, no fraud trigger, no notification, no right to know.

    The Bill passed its report stage in the House of Lords on 23 October and was sent back to the Commons with amendments. If you read the Hansard transcript from 21 to 23 October, you will see that many of the Lords felt exactly as we do, that this is overreach. The Bill gives powers to add other benefits in the future, it is a very powerful instrument.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Google this might be in contempt of court you now these things better than me

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Few things online to Google

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,715 Championing

    I read the article and looked up the case, Catherine. I hadn’t come across it before, so thank you for flagging it. It’s over a year old now, but still very relevant.

    The tribunal looked at whether the DWP had to release documents showing how it uses AI to spot fraud. It sided with the DWP, saying full disclosure could help fraudsters game the system.

    The DWP did release redacted versions of its Data Protection Impact Assessments after the Information Commissioner told it to revisit the refusal. But the technical detail, how the AI and fraud detection tools actually work,  was withheld. The tribunal agreed with the DWP that it was lawful to withhold details under Section 31(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act, which allows secrecy if disclosure might prejudice the prevention or detection of crime.

    Big Brother Watch, who brought the case, called it a setback for transparency, and I’d agree. It is frightening what can be withheld under that exemption, especially when the profiling is automated and the criteria are kept secret. Their analysis found evidence of bias in the DWP’s Universal Credit Advance model, including disparities by age, nationality, and relationship status.

    If the system disproportionately flags certain groups and no one can see or test the logic, those patterns can continue unchallenged. The consequences fall on people who are simply trying to access support, with no way to understand or contest the assumptions being made about them.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    So they can just go ahead with all this because been reading from April 2026 will be piloting

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Just wish could get out of this evil system from hope of Labour getting in now this its worse than ever look at post office scandal we will all be worried sick when will we hear if this passes this country gone to pot

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Says no admendments or changes does that mean it will go ahead as they want

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,715 Championing

    Several members of the House of Lords spoke out about the DWP’s new powers to check people’s bank accounts. They were worried this could unfairly target ordinary benefit claimants rather than serious fraudsters. Some said these powers should only be used in serious cases, and only with a judge’s approval. Others warned the rules could quietly expand to cover more benefits without proper checks or debate.

    Groups like Big Brother Watch also criticised the Bill, saying it gives the government too much power to snoop and was rushed through without proper scrutiny.

    Even with all these concerns, the Lords did not make any changes to the Bill. This is often a tactical move, as peers know the Commons would likely reject any amendments, so they use the debate to get their warnings on record.

    This matters, as Hansard, the official record of what is said in Parliament, shows that peers warned ministers. It is not law, but it is strong evidence. If people are harmed by this Bill, campaigners and legal advisers can point to Hansard to prove the government knew the risks and went ahead anyway.

    The Lords can debate, suggest changes, or delay a bill, but they cannot stop it. The Commons always has the final say.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 312 Pioneering

    Good for some of those lords though lol n sure why no amendments have been suggested or put forward.

    this bill is like having a policeman coming into your house when you are not in whenever they pleased and you not ever being aware of it. Just because you are poor or are in a vulnerable position or have fallen in hard times.

    Let’s hope that Big Brother Watch gets involved somehow