UK spying bank accounts: Eligibility Verification Measure

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 274 Pioneering
    edited October 25
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1078142#Comment_1078142

    trouble is they aren’t dealing with the issue, which is the widespread corruption and fraud within the public institutions and the ones who pay for it are the rest normal citizens, all under the banner of security etc.

    It’s beyond belief that people can’t see through it.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 964 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1078067#Comment_1078067

    I don't think many of them, if not most of them, have even bothered to try to understand what these unprecedented undemocratic sweeping financial surveillance powers would entail, leave alone the gravity of their punitive consequences, including creating a second-tier justice system for people on the poverty line, undermining the presumption of innocence, resulting in serious mistakes, and risking the freedoms and funds of the society's elderly, disabled and poor, to start with.

    As Jeremy Paxman discussed it in his outstanding book (The Political Animal), they're political animals who are in politics only for themselves and no one else. Most of them do not represent anyone but themselves, and thus do not care about others.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 964 Championing
    edited October 25
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1078144#Comment_1078144

    To be honest with you, it's only since the past two days that I've been paying attention to the scale of threats of this unprecedented system of mass financial surveillance. Prior to this period, to me, it was not a big deal, as I didn't spend time in understanding it. How wrong I was!

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 274 Pioneering
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1078152#Comment_1078152

    but you aren’t an MP. They are meant to SERVE the public regardless of the party they belong to.

    IF THEY DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE OTHERS, THEY SHOULD GET ANOTHER JOB.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 964 Championing
    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1078153#Comment_1078153

    Don't get me wrong, I wasn't talking about me in reflection with them at all. I was just speaking about myself. I was trying to say that many people, including many people on this very forum, haven't got an insight into the draconian scale of this proposal.

    Of course, those MPs and Peers have no excuse whatsoever. it's their job for which they're paid not only to understand these issues, but also scrutinise them, as they vote on them and decide on behalf of millions of people who haven't even been consulted.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 274 Pioneering

    our only hope now is for a member of the public or a freedom rights organisation to take this to a tribunal once it comes into effect.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,982 Championing

    God truly awful remember post office scandal its unbearable that's what they want we are trapped we thought we would be getting a fairer compassionate party its ended up worse and im sorry to say it doesn't end here

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,982 Championing

    Why dont they change leadership is there any chance of that happening and the thought of farage is just as scary i think this is to much for people I can feel myself getting scared again its impossible to deal with life let alone this

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,982 Championing

    Been reading will start in April 2026 ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,982 Championing

    Seems no ones challenging them at all with anything I read this will be starting April 2026 I despair with it all not that have anything to hide its the trust levels I dont have any in them

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 964 Championing
    edited October 25

    This is way beyond investigating benefit fraud suspects' accounts, as the DWP has already massive powers not only to review and investigate the bank statements of welfare fraud suspects, but also compel prescribed third-party information holders, including banks, to share data on fraud suspects.

    For instance, HMRC shares banking data with the DWP on an annual basis and the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 requires banks and building societies to notify law enforcement of suspicious activity.

    Therefore, claiming that the DWP lacked powers to exchange data with third-parties and this bill is going to fix this is complete nonsense.

    Again, the Carers’ Allowance scandal exposed that the DWP already has internal tools capable of detecting overpayments in real-time, yet consistently failed to act on them – leaving carers unknowingly accumulating debt.

    Therefore, claiming that the government is lacking powers under the existing legislation to investigate those who are suspected of fraud is again complete nonsense.

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