We Need Your Help! What's Your Experience With Motability?🚗

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  • redverscrooks1
    redverscrooks1 Online Community Member Posts: 2 Connected
  • hilaryfullilove
    hilaryfullilove Online Community Member Posts: 1 Contributor

    Without a Motability car my daughter would not be able to work. She has spastic diplegia and uses a walking frame when out and about. Buses are totally inaccessible and infrequent, despite living on the London/Essex border so she drives an adapted Mini. The car is her lifeline and the possibility of her not having this independence is unthinkable.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,952 Championing

    How would anyone know that a car is under Motability rather than your privately owned transport ?

    There is no badge or label on it - saying MOTABILITY.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,295 Championing

    It is quite easy to 'guess' which cars are on Motability when they're at home.

    They're often the only brand new ones on a street full of older cars surrounded by lower budget housing, for example.

    Neighbours also see who goes out to work and who is at home most of the time. If someone rarely leaves the house, and isn't seen wearing any work clothing, but then suddenly gets a brand new car, it's highly likely to be through Motability.

    There is a slim chance they've got an inheritance or insurance pay out, of course. But don't forget the jealous haters don't have to be sure a car is on Motability to hate against it…

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,952 Championing

    If you are granted PIP mobility when you are under pension age - and your award continues into/past Pension age - you continue to receive Mobility - which is not a fair way of doing things!

  • crisismum
    crisismum Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected

    tbh wibbles. I’m not 100 sure how they find out , but they link the new car, ‘if they are viably disabled’/ not working/how suddenly does a single working home carer in a low income role affording a car etc . My husband doesn’t drive so me and my son (when he comes home during some weekends ) will be the named drivers to take my husband out . My son is also on X and he showed me the scale of the hatred there- one disabled lady’s car was attacked and smeared with red paint and a very vile anonymous person going under max tempers is organising this hate and smearing campaign , then quoted by the likes of aggressive Tory MPs- Helen Whateley, badenoch & now labour possibly hitting motability. We really want to live in peace. One thing we can surely not deal with is hate. To make things worse - although we are here for a long time we are an ethnic minority1 we grab easy attention and we notice the changes in our immediate and local communities. This makes things with a motability car even worse .

  • Rachel_Scope
    Rachel_Scope Posts: 2,284 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    @crisismum can I just confirm if you've been subjected to any harrassment yourself?

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,952 Championing

    Around me - you are in a minority if you have a car more than a year old !

  • crisismum
    crisismum Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected

    canary uk latest article on motability

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,295 Championing

    Maybe they're all on Motability! 😄

    Seriously though, I can be fairly sure that one of my neighbours is on Motability. If I believe that, then there's a good chance that others will as well.

  • somebody_else
    somebody_else Online Community Member Posts: 6 Connected

    Crisismum

    If that's the problem, don't get a car on Motorbility, use the PIP payments to fund an older vehicle. I've never used the Motorbility scheme purely because I can't be sure that my PIP mobility payment won't be taken away because an assessor who has no idea how a brain injury can affect a person decides I'm not in constant pain, with all the knock on problems. Lose PIP, lose car, lose all my independence and end up virtually housebound.

    I use my allowance to fund a loan that pays for a vehicle, and keep it until something has to change. I've had to go from a manual car, to an automatic, and now I need an automatic WAV. I've nearly finished paying off the loan for that. Should my PIP be removed at my next review, at least I'll be able to keep my WAV on the road whilst I'm fighting to get it back.

  • crisismum
    crisismum Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected

    yes , @Rachel_Scope - we have been victims of racial/disability hate& harassment : majorly verbal abuse and one physical threat(all in a short span of time ) and one of them happened in an NHS appointment area when we took my husband to an appointment - our reports in the community were dismissed as lack of evidence & a patronising email from the NHS department even when other patients witnessed the unprovoked slurs . It has really shaken us. Never before have we experienced such incidents .only advice I got from local police was to invest in a ring doorbell and having discreet cameras when out and about. This is why we are more concerned regarding the whole motability situation. I so truly wish if our communities become a kinder place as they used to be . Thanks for asking, Rachel. I feel ashamed to open up but my husband has very high regards of scope so I felt comfortable to mention.

  • crisismum
    crisismum Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected

    thanks for your suggestions- unfortunately we do not have the income or circumstances to pass a credit check (due to previous poverty and missing on bills). We found the motability scheme attractive as it’s easier - husband struggles everytime to transfer and we found the idea of having a motability car attractive due to the seats that swivel and gives us more economical advantage than spending a fortune on XL Ubers and manually having to help him get in. His OT recommended some swivel discs & a curved slide board so we use that but we have to carry them everywhere- sometimes we find it quicker and less cumbersome with manual assistance (minus strain on my back)

    My son and I have a driving license but we don’t have a car. So at present we grin and bear with the UBER trips

  • Rachel_Scope
    Rachel_Scope Posts: 2,284 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    @crisismum please don't ever feel ashamed about opening up. It's important to talk about things so that others can help you. I'm so glad that you and your husband feel comfortable with Scope. We're here to try and help, and our members can share their experiences with you.

    I completely understand your worry about getting a car on Motability considering the harassment you've experienced. I truly hope that you are not targeted due to it. How recent was the harassment? Are you and your family coping ok?

  • Anni
    Anni Online Community Member Posts: 22 Contributor

    Motability is far more concerned with the ability to sell on the cars and powerchairs than with the needs and real life of disabled people. They scraped my car taking it up-country to be sold at the end of my lease and blamed it on me. I was banned from the scheme and it took my dad six months on the phone to get them to let me back on. Even he was shocked at the violence of their language towards him about me. Years later, my (now ex) boyfriend's powerchair was damaged by someone else. They picked up on lots of little bits of what was normal wear and tear and demanded to know exactly when and where they happened. Again, they were so rude to him that he was really distressed and I had to take the phone from him.

  • Richard_Scope
    Richard_Scope Posts: 3,843 Cerebral Palsy Network
    edited October 28

    These comments are from CPAAUK on Facebook

    Sam James

    For me, as an automatic driver who needs a high up car so I can get in & out! There is only 3 on the scheme that are the height I need!!The deposits are so high but if I went for the grant I’m not in control of the car that’s the best for my needs! I know someone who got the grant & is driving a car not suited to them at all!! So car choice is my main thing as we all have different needs & what’s right for me, isn’t right for you!I can’t work without my motability car as can’t afford a car otherwise!!The big thing that really gets on my nerves is that the car as an automatic is more than triple the cost of a manual car so the scheme is favouring carers who drive the car & not the actual disabled person who needs it more for work etc!To me more should be done within the car industry to highlight this & to offer more reductions in costs of automatic cars esp if we work & are limited in the choice of cars we can have! Eg height etc just because I’m disabled- it doesn’t mean a lie down car is best for me as I can’t get out of it!!I also agree with the push towards electric when the charging stations are not accessible at all! Plus take my drive to Aberdeen earlier in the year, it would have been impossible on electric as all we saw in Scotland & the north was petrol stations & not charging stations esp after sterling to Aberdeen etc this puts me off electric completely as I wouldn’t be able to get to the events I work at!!They need to realise without motability- a lot of Disabled people that are in work wouldn’t be if they didn’t have there motability car & the right car for them!!

  • Richard_Scope
    Richard_Scope Posts: 3,843 Cerebral Palsy Network
    edited October 28

    Charlotte Rose

    I wouldn't be able to drive without Motability. I got a grant for lessons in an adapted vehicle and passed in 5 months after 12 years of believing it wasn't possible for me to drive. I now have an affordable and reliable adapted vehicle that gives me independence and not having to rely on people. I wouldn't be able to afford the cost of the adaptions I need to be able to drive and the added insurance of being a disabled driver with adaptions. It definitely seems to be changing into something that is more of a business rather than helping disabled people have independence. The VAT thing makes no sense to me, because you lease the vehicle, you don't buy it so why should the disabled customer have to pay VAT? There's also a lot of money involved, £77 a week for 3 years, even with the cost of the vehicle and everything that's included, there must be an aspect of the government making money from disabled people? I don't know what I'll do when the prices continue to rise and the grants are becoming stricter. Living off of disability benefits means I don't have thousands sitting around that I can use. I also don't think the push towards electric vehicles is very accessible to many disabled people, if you can't have a home charger fitted for whatever reason, you have to sit around at a public charger which if you become unwell or aren't able to leave the house that day then you're stuck. Hope these points help you 

  • Richard_Scope
    Richard_Scope Posts: 3,843 Cerebral Palsy Network
    edited October 28

    Alan Gillespie

    I used it for my first car when my insurance was ridiculous but then I bought it after the 3 years lease and I’ve ran cars privately ever since but don’t believe you can buy them now. When they go EV only in 2027 forget it.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,952 Championing

    From: https://thiis.co.uk/motability-responds-to-reports-about-the-government-planning-tax-changes-to-benefits-scheme/

    Speculation is mounting that the Chancellor Rachel Reeves is considering reforms to the Motability scheme which allows disabled people to access cars through the benefits system.

    The Chancellor is looking at scrapping tax breaks worth around £1billion a year, cutting an exemption which allows cars leased under the scheme to be exempt from VAT or insurance premium tax.

    BMWs, Mercedes and other luxury cars could also be removed from the scheme, according to The Times.

    In a statement Motability commented: “You may have seen news stories about the possibility of tax changes to the Motability Scheme. These reports are based on media speculation and NOT on any formal announcement.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,660 Championing

    Why anyone would feel entitled to know whether their neighbour owns or leases their car is beyond me. That said, if they’re determined to find out, it’s relatively easy. All they need is the registration number and about £10 for a paid vehicle check.

    These checks exist to stop people selling cars they don’t own. However, it’s also legal for someone to use them simply to find out who financed a car. If the report lists “Motability Finance” or Motability Operations Ltd, that’s a clear clue. It won’t say “Motability” outright, but the details make it obvious.

    So yes, anyone worried about being targeted if someone found out is not being paranoid. The concern is real.