What are your concerns about a potential Digital ID?

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  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering
    edited November 2025

    @Wibbles The whole "if you're not doing anything wrong why are you worried?" argument is a cop out.

    What happens when laws and policies and agendas change? What do you do when what was previously nothing wrong, is now wrong in the eyes or the algorithms that have this power over you?

    Or how about the Horizon Post Office scandal where people who had done nothing wrong lost so much and sometimes their freedom or their lives?

    Besides that, there are a great many reasons against it and as @MW123 implied, privacy is important and our right, and we should guard it for as long as possible.

  • Usernametaken
    Usernametaken Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    Its a NOpedy nope NOPE from me.

    They herded the population down the digital bank route (and they went because it was more convenient and easier and less trouble, tappedy tap with the card and off you go, feels like you didn't spend anything.) For some people - like myself Cash is much easier to manage, I can physically hold and see that money in my hand and it makes me stop, think and consider before I buy. This is not just a "regular" problem I have ADHD, therefore if I have digital currency - its not really like spending money, I tap, don't think about it and spend more, can't budget and overspend because my brain doesn't really think about the consequences.

    They touted this as convenience and practicality,. and the majority of people bought into that.

    A Few but not all of The actual consequences are: Loss of High Street Banks, Cash machines making you pay for taking cash out, extra money on goods to make up for the cost of the machines you pay with. Having to go through multiple steps (this is especially relevant if you are Neurodivergent and can't do multi-steps) and then when the banking systems crash (as they have done more than once!) people can be left without heat, electric, transport, food and being unable to pay mortgages, rent and bills. Then there is the fraud connected with this, people getting scammed (especially the elderly and Neurodivergent people) theft of your bank details and the list goes on.

    Now some shops are refusing to take cash, and the implications of this will deepen as time goes on. Costs WILL rise, we WILL pay more, and in the long run it will cost us more and more money for this convenience and inconvenience when it all goes wrong.

    Add to that that the government bodies now have the legality to snoop into your personal affairs and to take action against you, and even if you haven't done anything wrong you will be GUILTY until you prove yourself innocent. Many people have found themselves locked out of their accounts, and the banking system refuses to even tell that customer why that happened. So expect the same from the Digital ID.

    If you believe this is a "one off" apply The same princicples to self-service check outs. You may think you didn't vote for them but you likely did unaware that you were doing so. The deception was in the helpful member of staff who offered to "show you how it worked" to "scan your items in and help you pay" in doing so even though you were not using that till, you became one of the statistics and voted with your "feet".

    Apply similar principles to the Organ donor "card/Scheme". Being an organ donor is 100% an amazing thing for anyone to volunteer for and I take my hats off to anyone who does this or donates blood or anything along those lines.

    This should NEVER ever have been brought in as a mandatory thing, you should NEVER EVER have to opt out of anything. It should be Voluntary and a person WANTING to do this, not you are doing this until you opt out. I cannot be an organ donor as I have health problems which mean I can't BUT prior to that I was on the donor register and happy to be on it, but VOLUNTARILY. Once we give our rights away even for small issues such as this, they continue taking liberty with our liberties.. what seems like a small and convenient and understandable thing often spirals into us giving an inch and them taking a mile!

    The Digital ID is not a surprising thing to me, like everything else that is happening, the banking, the self service check outs, the donor schemes and everything else has had the foundations laid for decades. it is the equivalent of the adage of the frog being slowly boiled to death in the pot by the water heated slowly.

    Take a look at how easy it is for the masses to be controlled - the Covid scandal, and there really is no more appropriate word here "scandal". Now again do not get me wrong, this isn't about who or who did not take the vaccine nor is it talking about the implications or doing or not doing so. This is objectively looking past that at how easily the Government manipulated and coerced the public.. First they scared the population, ramping up the tactics to a crescendo, the point that the majority of the public were so terrified they just followed everything they were told, without being able to make or form a conscious, well rounded thought or opinion on what they wanted or didn't want. When people (especially a large group of people) are running for their lives in an adrenaline fuelled panic - they are automatically going to latch onto any hope of escape they can, therefore they did what they were told. Which, is generally a pretty safe and reasonable thing to do. But! it also means they do not think clearly, and overlooked the misinformation and were coerced into behaving and doing things they may not choose to do if in a rational state of mind.

    I am Audhd - I have INSANE pattern recognition skills and I mean mine are exceptionally good, I may not always be focusing on them or listening to patterns but instinctively I am usually registering them in my subconscious. This means I see patterns that other people may not and connections instinctively between things that many people might miss unless its pointed out to them.

    I am not a conspiracy theorist - although I may dive into those for a bit of "fun" just for a laugh and to expand my mind into some what ifs to ask some big questions about live, death and the universe.

    When they brought in Microchipping for animals I was like uhoh! and my brain went Ping! (red flag) this was connected to a course I did in college which was on consumer and consumer law about 35 or more years ago when things like how the monetary systems would change over the years and what the projected outcome could end up looking like.

    This immediately registered with me as a way of "test driving" a pilot scheme for humans. and here we are, humans are actually using chips in some countries instead of keys for their doors and so forth.

    A few years ago the news ran some stories on child kidnapping and they ran a series of these over some time. I kept an eye on this to see where they were leading. And sure enough as soon as the public were aroused enough along came the "leading discussions" on forums and social media about microchipping children. And again, much like we saw during Covid, the same mob mentality is replicated. The circular arguments going round and around "If you love your Child you would get this done!" "if you don't do this you don't love your child you should have it taken off you" and so forth, pretty much the same arguments that were rehashed during the epidemic.

    So here we have some things to consider, a wide view on various issues all connected in the sense that "we sign up for one thing, and we end up with another" and "critical thinking skills are pretty poor these days, and worse when there is fear and mob-mentality is achieved".

    The question is, how objective can you be, how much effort is your freedom worth to you? is it the Blue pill or the Red pill that appeals to you more?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    I agree they are slowly taking all freedoms and rights people who suffer mental health been made more paranoid its shocking really shocking

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering

    We've had DWP questioning people on what they've spent a tenner on just because they're on benefits, and people want to give the powers that be more power over us?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Wow what to say I hate ot all like all of us i wish I could get out of this inhumane system it impacts more on our illnesses I hate it so much cant rest always worried we are going backwards not forwards

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    I agree with everything your saying its like that silent scream your begging family friends to see the dangers look their here in plain sight they was laughing at the public banging pans going shopping in big plastic bubbles the works im exactly the same as you I see things for what they really are is it a blessing no becasue I live in total fear of whats coming i phoned up and requested I don't want my organs donated as I dont trust hospitals anymore I will not use clubcard anymore im desperately trying to find ways of surviving the future my daughters a data analyst AI will take her job we have all been divided seriously people need to come together make a community and im sick of people saying conspiracy theories open your eyes look when does it stop becoming conspiracy when its too late everything is geared for 4 years time times ticking boxes 2026 soon !!!

  • Usernametaken
    Usernametaken Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    Thank you, 😊 I really appreciate your thoughtful response. You’ve captured exactly what I was trying to express — how convenience erodes choice and how neurodivergent people are affected. The ‘Little Brothers’ of algorithms and data brokers are a real concern, and you’re right: privacy is a right, not just a personal preference. Sometimes I wonder — how many times do we need to stick our hands in the fire to realise it burns? 🙄

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Also watching AHS cult its about politicians such an eye opener how conquer and divide fear tactics mkultra is all used and has been for centuries the psychology that goes into keeping the people down is mind blowing AHS also did one with moon landing stating it was fake

  • jonf
    jonf Online Community Member Posts: 391 Pioneering

    I am not sure if anyone else watched the program on today regarding digital identity and people having their homes sold from underneath their feet.

    Fake documents and Ai signatures used for fraud in obtaining documents.

    Same goes for uk you can rent a place and change your name by depol. Then sell your landlords property or more easily borrow against as you now have the identity.

    It has been done several times already.

  • JW77
    JW77 Online Community Member Posts: 240 Empowering

    My thoughts on it.

    Given UK gov record on data handling.. And tech (NHS covid app wouldn't work on iPhone.
    Also, many people do NOT update their hardware regularly.. I certainly don't..
    Some interesting views on this on Youtube (Cyberwaffle, and BlackBelt Barrister that I think are worth checking out)

    They are selling it as convienece.. Your data is worth money to anyone who uses it..


    Most smartphones don't have a great battery life.. Easy to nick, not compatible with disability software/eye readers etc.
    AI is gonna make it easier for 'bad actors' to hack our data, ie Russia/China, America..And unsavoury groups.
    Yep it does good, too, detecting illness, navigating climate data etc etc..

    However many government platforms are already implementing it/suggestions for it..

    If you want any privacy you kinda need to be something of a digital hermit as well as be able to afford various safety accounts such as good VPN's subscriptions etc. Use a non apple/android OS.. Or Dumbphone..

    As it stands it 'won't be compulsory', will be aimed at those applying for jobs, and there will be a 'consultation period starting in late 2025' according to this BBC article..

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member Posts: 692 Pioneering

    as a physical media collector I can see a similar pattern with streaming, for example back in the VHS days you could get almost anything anywhere, we are now on blu ray and 4k UHD and a lot of movies are in limited editions with boxes the size of a cereal box because it's the only model to shift all units to anyone outside hardcore niche collectors.

    There's absolutely a pattern sneaking in gradually and convenience is absolutely the way in which people are going along with it blindly, brilliant and spot on observations above.

    personally I've got zero time or interest in ID cards or self service tills etc.

    as someone autistic also less interaction and more convenience should be a blessing I'm told but im a wake up.

  • Usernametaken
    Usernametaken Online Community Member Posts: 15 Contributor

    I appreciate hearing your perspective, and while I understand the processes in reaching your conclusion - it doesn't make sense to my brain because its a circular argument, I would like to hear how you distinguish the difference there? I mean:

    They say the digital ID isn’t compulsory—but the moment not having it limits your access to essential services, it becomes mandatory in practice. Marketing it as ‘optional’ doesn’t change the fact that the consequences effectively force people to take it. Without it, you could face denied services or bureaucratic barriers—so it’s compulsory in all but name.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,429 Championing
    edited November 2025

    Data tracking using Digital ID's, unfortunately is the way that the UK is going - what with personal data and motor vehicle tracking (EV's are going to be next - in that they need some way if determining taxes based on mileage - and the only way is going to be positional tracking using internal devices).

    They say that 12% of uk 65+ year olds have no mobile phone - any thoughts on how they will survive in an ever increasing digitising world ?

  • jonf
    jonf Online Community Member Posts: 391 Pioneering

    ZA has digital id and it never stopped crime. You have to pay to update every ten years, just like uk photographic driving licence.


    regularly fraud happens with digital identity. Someone clicks the system that you are dead. Boom you have lost everything.
    I have seen this happen.

    you update your drivers licence. Wrong click and you get a truck licence as well or gun permit. It certainly happens. Or your licence is cancelled.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Ive sent mine along email stating if he thinks himself and future generations of his family will be protected from this hes wrong I also pointed out labour will be abolished forever and the uk will fight back over this orwellian nightmare I said I want my daughter to have children but not under a labour government as I would fear for my grandkids oh and loads more going to go through labour mps and send them email as well

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 3,429 Championing

    The petition is almost up to 3 million signatures - they've GOT to take that number seriously !!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing
  • PennyL
    PennyL Online Community Member Posts: 8 Listener

    It's a 100% for all the reasons raised.

  • Zippy1983
    Zippy1983 Online Community Member Posts: 283 Empowering

    with the digital id I have my tin foil hat on…

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Even this fear bill wjere they can access our accounts ext means they have ao much power just to shut us off they been distracting so much the amount of bills passed all slating togeater like a jigsaw