Unemployment Insurance - It looks likely it's going to implemented?

YogiBear
YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering

This is the latest news re Unemployment Insurance from the Benefits and Work site which was posted on their site today.

News

McFadden refuses to rule-out PIP cuts or rule-in WCA abolition

 Published: 24 November 2025

Secretary of state for work and pensions Pat McFadden refused to rule-out personal independence payment (PIP) cuts or rule-in the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA), in wide ranging discussions with the Commons Work and Pensions committee (WPC) last week.

PIP

In relation to PIP, the WPC pointed out [Q118] that, since McFadden took over, the Timms’ review terms of reference have been changed to say that spending must remain within the Office for Budget Responsibility’s forecast.  As a result:

“There is a risk that those who have engaged with this process may fear that they are aiding the axeman in respect of PIP. What words of reassurance would you give to them?”

It turned out McFadden had no reassurance to give.

When asked [Q119] why the DWP continue to claim that the Timms review is being co-produced with disabled people, when “the Social Security Advisory Committee advised against using the term”, McFadden had to admit “in a spirit of candour with the Committee, I say that in the end, the Government have to make the decisions on policy, financial resources and so on.”

And when asked [Q120] point blank:  “Can you rule out future cuts?”, McFadden replied:

“I am not ruling anything out. I have only been in the job for three months, and if I start ruling things out it will just close doors in the future, so I am not ruling anything out.”

WCA

In relation to the WCA McFadden was asked [Q115]:

“In the Green Paper, the Government said they would publish a White Paper in the autumn on the abolition of the work capability assessment. Reports now seem to suggest that that has been cancelled. The WCA is a fundamental and crucial part of the whole system, so is that correct? Why the change and how are we going to move forward if that is not the case?”

McFadden could have simply responded with something along the lines of “We will be bringing forward separate legislation at a future date to deal with the abolition of the WCA.”

Instead, he obfuscated: 

“There were a number of changes in July, as the Committee is well aware. It meant we had to re-look at how we were taking these things forward. The Committee will be aware of the establishment of the Timms review. We may come on to that, but he will consider the whole question of PIP, with the other reviewers. There are some elements of the Green Paper that are now being looked at in a different way.”

Whilst McFadden’s response certainly doesn’t say the idea of abolishing the WCA has been ditched, it does suggest that it is no longer the certainty that it was on publication of the green paper.

Unemployment insurance

McFadden’s wariness in relation to the WCA was certainly not matched when he came to talk about changes to contribution-based benefits, where he explained [Q127]: 

“. . . I am enthusiastic about the idea of recreating more of a contributory unemployment insurance element, non-means-tested, based on your contributions as part of the system. I think it is a good idea. It is an idea that we hope to take forward next year. It is pretty simple: for a limited period of time, people with a good national insurance contribution record will be entitled to such a benefit.”

Under-22s

Nor did McFadden have any problem about admitting that Labour has not yet made up its mind about whether to prevent claimants under the age of 22 from accessing the health element of universal credit, another idea consulted on in the green paper [Q130]:

“We have not made a decision on that—not to repeat earlier answers—but the whole issue of young people, sickness, unemployment and work is within the terms of what I have asked Alan Milburn to look at in the next few months. It is in there and I do not want to make a decision on it until we have looked at things in the round.”

Mired in uncertainty

The impression McFadden gave, though certainly not intentionally, is of a department mired in confusion and uncertainty following the backbench revolt on PIP cuts earlier this year.

The minister is pretty certain they will go ahead with the introduction of unemployment insurance, but everything else seems to be no more than a “maybe” at the moment.

And, given the increasing likelihood of there being a new prime minister in place next year - and possibly a whole new team running the DWP – that’s probably wise.

You can download the transcript of Work and Pensions Committee Oral evidence: The work of the Department for Work and Pensions, HC 344

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Comments

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 214 Empowering

    So if I'm on a mix of new style ESA and lcwra what does that mean for people like me ? I would think it would be for new claims first anyway

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member Posts: 377 Empowering

    hiya I had the same concerns earlier, Kimi answered on this thread she knows her stuff so hope this helps.

    thread below+ screenshot 🙂

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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 214 Empowering

    Thank you ....

    I was on CBESA with a IR top up

    I then voullentatrlly moved over to UC

    I am now on new style ESA and lcwra

    I get my ESA every two weeks and my lcwra at the end of the month after they deduct my ESA

    I think this , when it happens , will be phased in as it normally all is , probably new claims first then they will start after with existing claimants ......

    It's just one big worry after another at the min .....

    No certainty whatsoever

    They are going to intensify UC reviews even more , then you have the bank checks and the eligibility verification measure and it's indicators and flags , now this ..... Plus we have no idea if they will scrap the WCA or not , if not we have no idea when a reassessment will be

    My last reassessment was Nov 2019 , I was on ESA then .... I moved over to UC voullentatrlly so my support group status carried over and I was automatically eligible for LCWRA .... So technically I've never been assessed for lcwra .... I'm hoping the forms and descriptors on the UC 50 are the same as the ESA50....and if they are I'm hoping the form hasn't changed ....

    Just a complete shambles from the government , they don't even know what they will do

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member Posts: 377 Empowering

    I know I'm absolutely sick of it myself. he hopes to implement it but it requires primarily legislation so it'll be scrutinized, questioned and altered when it's brought forward again.

    with their track record and clear obvious fear of the Backbenchers playing up again it still may never happen as it's controversial.. again

    I don't know why they can't just give up

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 214 Empowering

    They can't do that , they wouldn't get to make our lives a misery then 😂

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering

    It seems to be never ending with this government.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering

    It looks like the government are seriously considering implementing 'the unemployment insurance benefit'. Which will result in anyone claiming this benefit being time limited. Currently under ESA (CB) support group there is currently no time limit. All will become clearer in the coming months (hopefully).

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member Posts: 377 Empowering

    The budget isn't a normal one it's widely reported across the board it's likely to make or break the current cabinet positions, many of these "ideas" for welfare are only shared among parts of that cabinet so nothings a guarantee yet, we can still hope it doesn't happen at all, but if it does Kimi has helped put some minds at rest.

    Now my concern moves to the CB only members who I personally think deserve to be exempted and grandfathered on a new system as NOT time limited.

    Another huge concern is the decision to throw a combination together of healthy young job seekers in the same boat as middle aged severely ill claimants who can't ever improve or interact with jcp without further harm to their health.

    what on earth is wrong with this government, I do not know. but the genuine "change promised by them won't come without a huge reshuffle

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering

    Thanks for replying @Nightcity. I currently claim ESA(CB) and I'm in the support group. I'm finding this all very worrying. Like many people I'm sure.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member Posts: 377 Empowering
    edited November 25

    That's understandable, the DWP doesn't realise they can and do d*stroy lives further, Is there any option available to you in a worst case scenario? like UC, savings, family help?

    I'm pleased to see that during that committee meeting he said safeguarding was going to be taken much more seriously because it's going to be needed!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    I dont understand this is it effecting all on income related and contrubtation esa moved to uc lwcra ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    What worries me about uc health is the scc doesn't match the substantial risk criteria on esa so if you qualified for esa on the substantial risk criteria you wont qualify for the scc on the health element of uc tbh noting they do is going to benefit anyone

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,452 Championing

    Thankyou yogibear I hope your well i bet theu dont even mention tomorrow at the budget just keep everyone hanging on best to start emailing mps now !! We have had this hanging over us since we for me started October 2023 sunak speech ah day by day I wish the military stepped in a did a military coup it worse than ever with them in power

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 7,772 Championing

    If NS ESA ends, a claimant would still remain on UC LCWRA and receive the same amount of money, as the ESA deduction would stop.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering

    If this new unemployment insurance benefit goes ahead and replaces NS ESA some claimants won't get anything (if you have savings etc or live with someone who works.) Not every claimant will be entitled to UC.

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Online Community Member Posts: 7,772 Championing
    edited November 25

    I'm well aware of that, I was however answering a question asking about UC + NS ESA so it's irrelevant and a waste of my energy going on to answer other variables that weren't even asked.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 411 Pioneering
  • rubin16
    rubin16 Scope Member Posts: 1,200 Championing

    If only Guy Falkes was still alive..

  • snuggles65
    snuggles65 Online Community Member Posts: 121 Contributor
    edited November 27

    Hi @Kimi87

    Hope you are well. Sorry for being stupid. We are on UC and hubby gets lcwra (moved from support group) we also get ns ESA paid every 2 weeks. If we lose the ns ESA will it be made up on our universal credit claim or lose 281.10 every 2 weeks?

    Tyia