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Wow when will it stop

cathiecathie Member Posts: 143 Courageous
edited November 2017 in PIP, DLA and AA
I just read some thing from a guy that was awarded pip ..less than a month later was striped of it .. guy was very rude to him on the phone ..oh Yeh ..know that feeling told him has to pay it back  dept agency will be involved he has Not cured over night .bought aids he needed    w.t.f. is going on here man distraught ... How's this being allowed    being crushed already by life with out allowing people with disgracefull manners treat us like that disabled or not when the he'll are we going to stand up to this bulling cos that's what it is ... man feels like a fraudster but nothing changed he's still in need of disability  come on how much more playing god and treating people like something on the end of his shoe no one held accountable.  Why .... the way I and many other are spoken to is f ing  disgracefull I was caught off guard so shocked  it left me needing to call police or some thing  didn't know  but I tell you some thing do as you wish lies already been told  forms filled to suit them self  so the next time I'm spoken to in this manner  I'm gonna roar like a bloody.lion not like a **** cat. Gonna do what you like make up what you like I refuse to be beholden to a few quid how dare they why is every body taking this  thinking the worse of them self thinking of ending there life    I read it every day   never gonna change if we all roll over cause were scared they will stop our needed benifit I'd rather starve had a belly full of it ...  can not even explain how we have been treated  sack the f***** lot of them claim j.s.a. u dirty rotten people ... sorry but story has touched me how dare they .   Bet both the story's I just read were one of the same Scottish dave  .. bloody he'll so upset me these people are  beside them self ... I'm not aggressive but you would belive I was   it's affecting me ...  the man on my case was ment to give me another appointment  was so excitingly angry accusing me of all sort s f.ed off with out doing so ..opps my pip out the window ..  sorry big big rant 
Only me .. cathie..

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  • BeccaShark123BeccaShark123 Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    Hi @cathie . The new PIP system is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion also. The system is hugely flawed. If the government can just openly ignore the rights of the disabled person convention- that they signed and agreed to- then sadly it just means us having to keep putting pressure on. I don’t know if things will change as quickly as we would need them to though. We just have to try!

    Becca :smile:
  • cathiecathie Member Posts: 143 Courageous
    I'm glad to hear you haven't lost the fight ..but I'm afraid I really have there cheaters liars quite frankly I'm total lost.  All I know when I'm unable to make a interview I'll be sanctioned once again ..i can't keep up the fight strong as a rule but the rules and goal post are not stable people far worse off than myself ... there the ones we should be very worried about ... but helpless in the whole rotten  situation so wrong ...but tomorrow's another day ...its across the board got disabled friends been made homeless because of all this ... dont know where You.ll be tomorrow fact if your unable to attend a place of help  it makes matters worse .it's enough to depress a person ...
    Only me .. cathie..
  • TopkittenTopkitten Member Posts: 1,263 Pioneering
    I think the whole idea of PIP is just ridiculous. DLA fraud was estimated at around 1% on the last report I read. PIP fraud is around 10%. The assessments were produced by people with no practical experience of disability so the assessments have always been hugely flawed. The appeal rate has tripled in just a few years and the successful overturns has risen 4 or 5 fold. Ofc this also has led to immense delays in getting decisions done. Rising from 3-6 months to 18-24 months. There has been no significant increase in appeal and tribunal staff.

    All it would have taken was for the government to admit to making a massively stupid and costly mistake and to reinstate DLA until PIP could be properly sorted out using experienced and trained personnel. Ofc the government have never even considered such a move and the disabled have consequentially been punished for problems not of their own making,

    TK
    "I'm on the wrong side of heaven and the righteous side of hell" - from Wrong side of heaven by Five Finger Death Punch.
  • cathiecathie Member Posts: 143 Courageous
    That's just it it's more than clear oops yet a other blunder via this goverment back tracked so many stupid ideas they come up with clearly know this is yet no by far one of the worse but look stupid enough can't admitt they messed up again and your correct worse case of punishment ever seen happens to be the most vulnerableand weakest of them all ...
    Only me .. cathie..
  • sue66sue66 Member Posts: 124 Pioneering
    Does anyone know for sure the reason behind the changing from DLA  To PIP?  Hubby thinks its due to the fraudulent claims going on a few years back which has made it very hard for genuine claimants.  True yes there were tv programmes showing claimants  running around playing football that claimed to have leg and back injury's and the likes.  But wasn't PIP introduced to ensure  those who really needed it got the help!  Whats going on hear, the stories im reading about of those with the most severe physical and mental conditions being turned down. :( Then to know this is happening due to lies and unqualified assessors, what an absolute shambles to put it politely.
  • cathiecathie Member Posts: 143 Courageous
    Indeed .... it's said on news today Mrs May  and her evil cuts has created  12000 murders .. yet still not being address correctly  
    Only me .. cathie..
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,250 Disability Gamechanger
    The explicit reason for the move from DLA to PIP was an intent to save 20% on the DLA budget. This was a Maria Miller statement although subsequently we've had all the stuff about better directed to those who need etc. Amusingly PIP expenditure is currently running at somewhere between 118% and 13% of DLA expenditure. Bear that in mind next time someone tells you PIP is harder to get!

    As far as fraud is concerned there are several things to bear in mind:

    1) DWP accounts have been qualified (i.e. auditors cannot certify their accuracy) for the best part of 2 decades now. Figures are always given with a range and even that could be way off. So a 1% figure could just as easily be 10% and vice verse. Therefore, drawing conclusions on comparative levels of fraud between the two systems is not really valid and unlikely to be so as DLA is on its way out and so the figures for previous years will never now be certified as accurate. 

    2) PIP in itself was a good idea. The issue is not the principle of functional assessment, which can be an excellent way of explaining the impact of specific conditions. The execution of assessments and the appalling quality of the decision making process itself are the issues. The success rate at appeal shows that done properly many people will in fact get awards and there are many impairments who ultimately be better of under PIP e.g. people with sensory impairments. As ever, case law also changes the rules so its a movable feast. People with epilepsy who previously were much worse off under PIP will now find themselves largely restored to where they were with DLA thanks to the recent decision on the definition of safety (although you wouldn't think anyone would benefit if you read the updated DWP guidance). 

    3) DWP definitions of fraud are also a movable feast. Many people overpaid because they failed to notify a change of circumstances now find themselves hit with automatically applied administrative penalties for that failure whereas previously there would just have been a recoverable over-payment to challenge. Many such over-payments and penalties would never meet the burden of proof for criminal prosecution but DWP classify them as that anyway. 

    Moral of the story is to not believe what you read. DWP have been pulled several times by the National Statistics Office for misuse and it's the tip of the iceberg really. They've done it again today talking about Universal Credit sanctions.   
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