The Timm's Review and Pip/mental health conditions
Can I ask what other people's opinions are on this? Did pat mcfadden state that all people with mental health conditions would have pip payments stopped in the Timm's Review? Or is there differentiating between mental health conditions. Severe depression can affect people's lives greatly and be very debilitating. He seems to have been very casual and even suggested people with mental health conditions should not receive benefits at all. Surely that is discriminatory?
Also, can I ask, for anyone who knows about such processes, how long it would likely take such major welfare reforms as seem to be planned to go through Government and put into practice? I am supposed to be reassessed for PIP next October, though it is usually a few month's beforehand and I retire in 2029. I am hoping these reforms might be put into practice after my PIP re-assessment?
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Hi @axab43 I can't see them preventing people (especially those with severe mental health conditions) from receiving benefit support. Mental Health support is vital for a lot of people and I agree, it would be discriminatory.
With regards to your second question, it really is hard to say for sure. Granted they've provided timeframes for the initial review and some elements, but we're very much dependant on the outcome of the Timms review before we know the what and when. Sorry that's not much help. Hopefully we'll get some updates in the near future.
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Is this from news outlets @cass21? I've only seen this on one that are well known to me from the proposed changes a year of so ago, to share a lot of scare-mongering.
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I think we should have parity between mental and physical health complaints. It's perfectly sensible to look more closely at those in both categories, that is if they have mild, manageable symptoms. We mustn't create another lost generation, one that sees claiming as preferable to work.
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Contrary to popular belief, I am NOT a workshy slave to the benefit system, I just can't get a job due to limited experience and availability.
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Thanks for clarifying. I've had a little read of article and it reads that they're looking for alternative options to support keeping people with anxiety in work rather than signing people off work and "writing them off" (his words).
Hopefully that means not cutting benefits for those people unable to work due to their disability, but following through with the support people need during employment that they're not currently getting, and that's either forcing people out of the workplace when they don't want to be, but don't feel supported or helping put things in place with employers, so that people who want to work, have that support they need to do so.
They've since released the Keep Britain Working: Final report - GOV.UK which does delve into the issues both employees and employers have said causes barriers and a top level outline of what needs to happen. I'm going to have a detailed read of this as it's been a little while, but thought I'd share here too in case anyone else wanted to.
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I wasn't aware i said you were. I mentioned "mild, manageable symptoms", a situation that applies to neither of us.
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I agree, it was why I said "I think we should have parity between mental and physical health complaints".
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People on Facebook and other forums and social media have accused me of being that.
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I was exactly the same once, but I eventually learned not to overshare. People don't need to know all your business, you can bet they don't tell you all of their's. 👍️
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I agree. @SheffieldMan1976 those people sound very ignorant and not worth your time. They've got no place accusing you of anything.
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Indeed, nowadays I don't tell anyone anything they do not NEED to know.
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The best policy 👍️
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I hope their not cutting it for us with autism. It's ridiculous they no nothing about these conditions. I used to work , but due to other ailments had to stop 3 years ago. I don't think Andy Burnham cutting welfare, saw on tv.
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There are no plans to stop all Personal Independence Payment (PIP) claims for people with mental health conditions. Instead, the landmark Government-led Timms Review of PIP is examining how the current points-based assessment system is failing claimants, with the goal of designing a fairer system
The Timms Review is the first full review of the PIP system since it was created. It is being led by Disability Minister Sir Stephen Timms in collaboration with disabled people, charities, and experts
Key facts about the review:The Assessment System: The review found that the current points-based assessment is "not fit for purpose". It often fails to account for fluctuating mental health conditions.
No Blanket Stopping of Payments: Claimants with mental health conditions will not lose their awards overnight. The review aims to improve the system so it better supports peopleNext Steps: The interim review's findings are being published in summer 2026, and final recommendations on how to redesign the new system are due in autumn 2026
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/the-timms-review
I honestly and hopefully 🤞 think they will do a look into what is a broken and failed system that is currently in place. They know there are genuine people who are claiming PIP legally due to the multiple health conditions and disabilities they have.
As somebody who has ADHD, ASD, Borderline Personality Disorder, Depression, Anxiety and Learning Difficulties and I know that life is challenging to overcome each minute of the day and have lived this way for over 43 years.
But we do know that there are some people that do defraud the system in a very big way and it is because of these individuals that we the people that very much need and rely on both components of PIP each month, we feel targeted, vulnerable and that people are judging us.
One of the major reasons they want to look at the overspending in the welfare system is for the holes left in the recent defence review that has revealed a huge hole in the coffers for all arms of the Armed Forces.
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The report is out tomorrow isn't it?
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Yes @Anhedonia2,we're expecting it out any time today😊
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I think the problem is, they've included too many things into who can claim PiP and that's where the cost's are coming from. Where do we say no, who says no, you can't claim PiP for that?.
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@Anhedonia2, there's an interim report that's been released today. You can read through it here: Timms Review of Personal Independence Payment: interim report - GOV.UK
Just editing to add: this is an interim report, so not the final product. That's still due in the Autumn. But it gives a good indication of what kind of things the final report will highlight.
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A large spike in young people claiming they are anxious and depressed, that's the alarming factor for me, with regards to PIP/ADP.
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