Timms Review on PIP - Interim Report (Links Included)

Holly_Alumni
Holly_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 6,534 Championing

The Interim Report has been released this afternoon. I have added the main report links below:

There are other supporting documents on the website which can be found here: Timms Review of Personal Independence Payment: interim report - GOV.UK

I hope to add some key findings soon but would appreciate your feedback and any key finds you've spotted.

Scope's Statement:

“Coproducing with disabled people is the right thing to do. We're pleased lived experience is at the centre of the Review. 

“This report reflects what Scope hears day in, day out, from disabled people. PIP isn't working. 

"The assessment process is complex and dehumanising. The system does not reflect the reality of disabled people’s lives, especially people with fluctuating conditions.

"Life costs more if you are disabled. And PIP exists to help with the extra costs disabled people face, whether they are in work, out of work, or unable to work.

“The government has started to listen. Now it must build a person-centred system that is easier to deal with and fit for disabled people’s lives.”

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  • Stellar
    Stellar Community Member Posts: 561 Trailblazing

    Surprised they did an easy read version of this.

    Still, as always, the devil is in the detail. I'll wait for experts to identify them before getting excited.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,100 Championing

    I think this is just a repeat of ESA. An impression of a listening government, but the reality is that welfare reform is a cost control programme.

    It seems fairly easy to predict.
    Those with the most extreme levels of need will get a increase of payment, this gets some people onside and gives the impression of increased support.
    Many people will lose eligibility, via a reduction of eligibility criteria.
    In turn it will be overall less support, but masked as extra support, because some will get higher payments, exactly what happened on ESA.

    There is a number of very concerning statements in the document.

    111. The group is exploring whether the activities and descriptors focus
    too heavily on what people cannot do, whether the assessment is too
    subjective, and whether there is a disconnect between what is assessed
    and the support people need. The group heard from responses to its call
    for evidence that disabled people find PIP to be unfair and inconsistent.

    Those of us who remember, this is the exact same thing they were saying when they changed the PCA to WCA. It tries to downplay the things people cannot do as less important.

    It also mentions, there is people who think PIP is unfair, this is always going to be the case with government support programs, if you dont meet the targeted criteria, then it must mean it is unfair. This is likely going to be used to justify eligibility cuts, so those who have resentment will feel better that people they jealous of will lose access to PIP.

    It of course mentions there is people who think PIP doesnt provide enough money, if anything they should lower the money and use it to protect current eligibility criteria, its always better to target more people with less, than less people with more, but we try to go the opposite way. It is very likely I feel there will be a token increase on top level support. But that wont sit well with me when its done alongside eligibility cuts.

    I would be surprised at this point if the mobility criteria is not made a duplicate of the WCA, which will become a mobility with aids only assessment where they can pretend you have a wheelchair, as this is going to replace the WCA.

    The idea of replacing the WCA was originally announced by the previous government meaning, the source of the idea is likely someone outside of both parties with enough influence to get two governments to adopt it.
    It talks about the changing workplace, but all companies I know off are now bringing back into offices, the vast majority of WFH is only recruited internally and as mentioned before the last election was less than 1000 vacancies across the entire UK of which were not spread about but focused in specific areas, in effect there is no working from home jobs for unskilled en masse, but its been used to justify policy changes.

    The only real question at this point, is who are the victims going to be that lose support.

  • KatieG
    KatieG Community Member Posts: 30 Connected

    will this effect current pip claimants if so when will the changes start?

  • Rachel_Scope
    Rachel_Scope Posts: 4,542 Online Community Team

    Hi @KatieG. The final report will be published in Autumn so we won't know about any possible changes until then.

  • igglypop93
    igglypop93 Community Member Posts: 19 Connected

    I think they might have a hard time making the mobility question the same as WCA re imaginary wheelchair as there are quite a number who use their PIP mobility Payment to pay for an actual wheelchair arent there? Where NHS wheelchair service support is either lacking or too long a waiting list.

    As much as the general public seem like they might be on board with the motability changes done recently I have a hard time believing the same argument will fly with the actual wheelchairs on that service.

    But ive been shocked before so who knows.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,711 Connected

    The rules around Motability cars were changed fairly recently, people were getting "posh" vehicles such as BMWs and Rolls', and they've apparently stopped that.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,739 Championing
  • Thomo
    Thomo Community Member Posts: 21 Connected
  • Thomo
    Thomo Community Member Posts: 21 Connected

    I keep reading about getting people into work but what about pensioners on PIP?

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,100 Championing

    I just want to add my negative post is just "thoughts" nothing factual as they havent announced recommendations yet, so please dont anyone have fear from it.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,711 Connected

    Meh, Pensioners have already had a full working history, that's WHY they're Pensioners.

    Even Labour wouldn't be stupid enough to force them back into the workplace.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,739 Championing
    edited July 14

    Where did you read about pensioners being forced back to work? I remember Sunak asking early retirees to please come back, tried to imply they had a duty to help out.

  • Tauqirashraf
    Tauqirashraf Community Member Posts: 9 Listener

    Thank you for sharing the report links. I've only had an initial look through the interim report, but it's encouraging to see that lived experience and co-production with disabled people are being highlighted as central parts of the review.

    One of the key points that stood out to me is the recognition that the current PIP assessment process can be stressful, complex, and often fails to reflect the realities of people living with fluctuating or invisible conditions. Many claimants have long expressed concerns about repeatedly having to prove their disabilities and the emotional impact this has on their wellbeing.

    I also welcome the acknowledgement that disability brings significant additional costs, regardless of employment status. PIP plays an essential role in helping people manage these extra expenses and maintain independence.

    The real test, however, will be whether these findings lead to meaningful reforms. Many disabled people and carers will be hoping that this review results in a more compassionate, person-centred system that is easier to navigate and better reflects individual circumstances.

    I look forward to reading more feedback from others as they work through the report in greater detail.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,711 Connected

    I realise Pensions are paid by the State, but contrary to popular belief they are NOT benefits.

    If I live long enough to become a Pensioner, I know I won't get one because I've been on benefits since I was 17.

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 3,369 Championing

    what gives you that idea the government pays your nat ins towards your pension if you are on certain benefits as you will find out when the time comes

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,711 Connected

    For one thing I've almost never worked beyond the voluntary sector, because I can't get a paid job due to limited availability.

  • Bluebell21
    Bluebell21 Community Member Posts: 5,536 Championing
    edited July 16

    State Pension is a benefit not an entitlement. What you get depends on qualifying years of NI contributions.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Community Member Posts: 6,327 Championing

    If you're on Universal Credit you are getting Class 3 National Insurance Credits because of that.

    You can check your current pension forecast online if you have a government gateway or one.gov account here:

    Check your State Pension forecast - GOV.UK

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,100 Championing
    edited July 18

    Both the state pension and pension credit are benefits.

    State pension is NI based like new style ESA. Both are benefits.
    There is also the pension credit, means tested. A benefit just like UC is. This can support you if you dont qualify for the state pension.

  • Rag_793
    Rag_793 Community Member Posts: 408 Empowering

    With regards to being forced back into work by the Labour Government because I am on ESA, PIP and UC. I have to plead the fifth amendment on my thoughts and opinion on the matter. As it would breach rules and regulations on the site.