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UC, ESA and PIP
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Hello, can anyone help? I have quite a few health problems and my mobility is severely affected. I am 90% housebound. I am on Universal Credit and about to apply for new style ESA. I have been sending in fit notes for the past 6 weeks with another one (for 1 month) just sent in. I thought after 28 days you get sent a form regarding your health problems? Today, my work coach, who interviews me via telephone, informed me that after this form is completed, it will probably take a year for the assessment. Why does this take so long? The form has not been sent, do I chase it? I have requested a home visit to apply for ESA and even this will take weeks. In the meantime, I am having to go to appeal with PIP, this has been ongoing since June. Can I get help anywhere to prepare me for this? Is there anything I can do to speed up all of this? I get the impression from the work coach they don't favour people applying for ESA, she tried her best to make me change my mind. I am quite new to all this and would appreciate any help.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
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Hopefully a benefits advisor will be in touch with further advice for you regarding your ongoing situation. In the meantime, Scope have some information on appealing a DWP decision that you may find helpful. Keep us updated, and fingers crossed that things start progressing for you soon!
I'm sure you are aware of this already, but it's important to understand the terminology of your UC/ESA issue. 'New style ESA' is the term used for the contribution-based version of ESA which is paid when a person is also getting Universal Credit in a full service area. If you get 'new style ESA', it will be taken into account as income in the calculation of your Universal Credit. The process of claiming new style ESA can be annoying and bureaucratic, as the IT that supports UC doesn't respond well to new style ESA basically! However, if you have the national insurance history to qualify you for new style ESA, then you should persevere, including insisting on your right to a home visit if necessary. The Work Capability Assessment is the same points-scoring exercise whether you are claiming new style ESA or establishing your limited capability for work within the UC rules. Either way, unless you are claiming on exemption or exceptional circumstances grounds, you will have to score at least 15 points from the list of activities and descriptors. It is very difficult to speed up the assessment process, especially if you are requesting a home visit, and unfortunately in some areas it is taking a very long time. Some people have contacted their MP about this, and have managed to get the process speeded up. The benefits and work website I mentioned also has excellent materials on the ESA / UC claiming process, and the role of new style ESA in all this. Please don't be put off claiming what you are entitled to by work coaches or anyone else - remember that these benefits are your legal right, but they are sometimes quite challenging to get.
Good luck and please get back to us if you need further steerage.
Jayne
I am am also going to write to my local MP as I think waiting a year for an assessment is not really acceptable. I was told by my work coach it's because there are so many people waiting to be assessed. I would imagine this would cause a lot of stress for some. Even having to wait many weeks for a home visit, I find unbelievable. When would they date the claim from?
Many thanks for reading and for the help. Trying to sort out benefits is like walking through waist deep mud!
To check your entitlement to new style ESA they'll first look at the year you are claiming in - 2017. Then they will look at the 2 previous tax years -2014/15 and 2015/16. They can't use any tax years later than that. If you meet the contribution conditions, you can get your 52 weeks of new style ESA (longer if you get put into the support group). Depending when you claimed JSA, it will either make no difference, or, if the period fell in the tax year 2015/16, it will mean you have a period of credits then, to use towards your ESA claim.
So no, you won't be penalised for claiming JSA first. If you were to wait until 2018 to claim new style ESA, then the tax years used would be 2015/16 and 2016/17. I can't see any advantage to doing that, but it would be worth checking with a local advice agency, as Jayne suggests. You need to have at least one tax year where you were working enough for national insurance contributions to be generated. The guidance for UC does say that after 28 days of sickness they should send out a UC50 (the form about your condition and how it stops you doing things). I'd definitely consider complaining about this, and contacting your MP could well help. As Jayne says, it's proving much more difficult that it should be to get this process started.Also as Jayne advises, the new style ESA, if you get it, will reduce your universal credit, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't apply for it - it is your right to do so.
They would date your new style ESA claim from the date of claim - the date of your telephone call (if it's followed up with a completed form within one month) or the date your claim form is received by the DWP. Backdating is possible in new style ESA, but may not be something you want to do here (you would need sick notes for the period of backdating and the backdated period would also count towards your 52 weeks of contributory ESA, if your ESA is time-limited. It won't be time limited if you are put in the support group following your assessment).
Any assessment you have in UC should be recognised in ESA, so that you shouldn't have to have another one, but in practice, the DWP can call you for an assessment at any time, so many people do end up having more than one.
Do come back to us with any other questions.
Will
Hi @bigmomma
Glad to hear the farce seems to be drawing to a conclusion for you.
Just one thing - you mention no 'housing support'. If this is rent (as opposed to mortgage) and you are back on ESA, then this would mean a claim for Housing Benefit from the local council, as the DWP only pay rent in UC.
If you're a renter you may therefore need to claim Housing Benefit.
Mary
Ahh apols @bigmomma are you talking about contributions based ESA? (i.e. not the income-related version most claimants are on?) If it is contributions related then yes, you can claim both together, but the housing element will still come from UC not ESA.
If you are talking about income-related ESA, i.e. not based on your NI contribution record, then no, you cannot claim this with UC and would have to claim Housing Benefit.
If you're definitely on the contributions based 'new style' ESA then make sure UC are aware of this, and chase your payment for housing costs while on to them.
Sorry for any confusion @bigmomma just wanted to make sure you had all your claims in!
Kind regards,
Mary
I'm trying to remain positive but it seems it will never end.
Good luck to everyone in the same position as me, stay happy xx
If you've been awarded contributory ESA, then your UC account will need to be updated - contributory ESA is income for UC, as you know. So I think that is probably what is happening here.
Although you're near the end of your ESA assessment period, that doesn't mean you will necessarily have your medical any time soon - there is often a delay. But if so, any extra ESA you're entitled to (called the support component - not everyone gets this) will be backdated to the date your assessment phase ended.
I'd encourage you to complete & return the UC50, even if you've already completed an ESA50. I know this is odd, but UC often do this, and the thing is that if you don't return it, they could treat you as not having limited capability for work. Just try to make it as consistent as possible with the ESA50 (assuming that you have already completed that).
As advised before, if you get a decision that you have limited capability for work or limited capability for work-related activity in ESA, that decision should be reflected in your UC. There are two main effects:
1) what you have to do to get UC. If you have limited capability for work, you don't have to look for jobs, but you do have to attend interviews and take part in work-related activity, depending on what your work coach arranges for you
2) if you have limited capability for work-related activity, you don't have to do anything AND you get an extra amount in your UC called the limited capabiility for work-related activity (LCWRA) component (your ESA support component will be taken into account as income, but it isn't as big as the LCWRA component so you do end up better off).
And just to confirm, your housing costs element in UC can help with the site rent you pay for your park home. And you'll still get those housing costs. There should be a page on your UC account showing the different elements of UC, and then your income (contributory ESA) which comes off your UC pound for pound.
Hope this helps!
Will
can anyone help
i was on esa and they closed my claim
to claim uc
im on enhanced pip both.
the amount I get now is £314
a month minus advances
of £100 per month.
today the u c
said
im getting an extra 141
a month
which now is the £341
as it was only £190
This went on for three months .
i was on £375 a forghtnight esa
after an asset.
im still failing to understand
where that money’s gone and
what I can do
to get my payment back to nearly what I was getting.
that
we owe you money
£252
But we may keep it as
you owe advance pay
back .
I’m repaying advance at £99
a month.
I’m not entitled to houseing element.
si they said there makeing a referral as esa said I have ltd
capa for work can anyone help?
do I have any chance of them backdatingy money intill December end of d esa claim
an I still waitiyto here a thing
or is this over
and I’m out of pockit of £350?? Per month
All help welcome
i will help if I can h?
many thanks
what I was trying to say
is the iv said they were makeing a refferal
what does that mean
can I get money backdated
at all
am i due extra