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Geoff1964
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Hi all, i sent my application off and got a text and letter to say that i dont need to attend a face to face assesment. I rang recently to find out where things were and was told that they wanted additional information from my gp which they have now got, they also told me it was now with a case worker to decide whether i qualify for pip or not although i am on dla at the moment , they also told me that it will take anything upto 16 weeks from when i called them???. Why when they sent me the application did they tell me i had three weeks to fill out and return the application when they allow themselves 16 weeks to reply??? STRESSFUL TIMES
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Hello @Geoff1964 Pleased to meet you welcome.
Thank you for joining and sharing. I can understand the stress and anxiety. May I add at least they have told you not have to attend an assessment. Face to face.
Which is a good thing as many of our community have to suffer the ordeal of going through all of that.
Including myself. Hope and wish you the best and success for a positive out come.
I do know it is a long wait as you care to look at any of our community posts there are many members suffering problems and issues. All around PIP.
Lots of support and information, advice.
We are a friendly community. Care and share. Please ask if we can help and advise on anything.
Please take care
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Thank you spiceman, I will navigate the site over the weekend and hope to have a positive input, thank you for the welcome!!!
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Geoff1964 said:
Why when they sent me the application did they tell me i had three weeks to fill out and return the application when they allow themselves 16 weeks to reply??? STRESSFUL TIMES
Seems that the DWP guidance (the DWP's own version on what they think the law says) is made to be one sided.
I read on here from a professional source that these time limits that are imposed on a claimant actually have no legal backing. Yet the DWP insist on them being observed otherwise they have the right to cancel whet you are current getting as well as the claim.
The only legally enforceable time limit it seems is the 13 months one to lodge a MR and an appeal.
It also seems that if for any reason the claimant fails to adhere to these so called 'time limits' they have recourse to a Tribunal to decide the matter. Then we find that on the day of the hearing to rule on the legality of say closing a claim down, the Tribunal aren't interested they will expect the claimant to be ready to argue for an award - even the Tribunals seem not to accept these time limitations either.
Definitely 'Big Brother' trying to put the fear of God into claimants.
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Username_removed said:The time limit to fill out the form was extendable. You only had to ask and you'd have had a 2 week extension no questions asked. More if needed. The question you need to ask now is do you want them to make a quick decision or the right decision?
I have gone through the old PIP2 notes as well as the current government websites and can find no mention of the DWP allowing this extension.
Is this once again only known by those that trawl the net and WRO's etc. And if so, it doesn't sound good if the DWP are purposely withholding information like this from vulnerable claimants.
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Username_removed, I had no idea that the date was extendable or i would of used that time to send them more information to make the job of them making a decision easier, and it goes without question that i want the right decision in the same way that i want the use of my arms and legs back, i see your point though still i believe the DWP drags its heels and are renowned for it
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Geoff1964 said:Username_removed, I had no idea that the date was extendable or i would of used that time to send them more information to make the job of them making a decision easier, and it goes without question that i want the right decision in the same way that i want the use of my arms and legs back, i see your point though still i believe the DWP drags its heels and are renowned for it
Rather cynical I feel. The let out for the DWP is to always to ask them if they would extend the time limit. Rather poor practice when the DWP categorically state return by a certain date or else so what would make people ask the question in the first place?
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Well im done with my application , when i rang to tell them it may just be returned on the finaL day if not a bit later all i was told was it must be in by that date, nobody suggested that i had a day or two to spare or that i can extend the expected date? so i sent what i had in although it wasnt the conclusion, they now have to make what they can of my application or wait for an appeal if there decision is not fully accepted , i want nothing that im not entitled to, 35 years i gave to my country , if they think im not deserving then i will cost DWP nothing
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Geoff1964 said:i was told was it must be in by that date, nobody suggested that i had a day or two to spare or that i can extend the expected date?
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Username_removed said:There are 3 aspects to it.
1) The deadline is administrative. It’s not in the legislation. DWP can’t possibly put simple versions of everything up. Have a look at CPAGs welfare benefits handbook. Then translate that to web pages bearing in mind not even CPAG covers everything.
2) I’ve limited sympathy for people who don’t ask. Wholly understand why that’s not an option for some people but in other cases it beggars belief that they get wound up about a deadline but don’t even ask if it could be extended. Not aimed at anyone here.
3) The Equality Act 2010 applies to any part of this process. If you are a disabled person as defined by EA 10 then ask for a reasonable adjustment.
You can only ask a question if you have a doubt in your mind and wonder if the deadline set by the DWP is actually one that is backed up by legislation or not. As I have said most people just accept what the DWP documents say as they have no reason or justification to think otherwise.
Would you when boarding a bus ask if two single tickets are cheaper than a return ticket? I wouldn't that is unless I had been told by someone beforehand that they had bought two singles and were surprised to find that it was cheaper than a return ticket.
You have to have prior knowledge to justify a question.
I only know about the Equality Act from this site. Before I joined I had no knowledge of how it worked or even who is said to be covered by it. Only this week did I find out that Diabetes is a disability. I thought that it was just a problem that life throws at you. Only when I was asked to fill out a form for the Council and it asked if I had any disabilities. Just the one I thought - difficulty walking. Then I was asked why had I not included Diabetes. Then I thought was having a mental health problem one and again I was told it was.
Again you have to have prior knowledge before you can ask a meaningful question.
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Username_removed said:Geoff1964 said:i want nothing that im not entitled to, 35 years i gave to my country , if they think im not deserving then i will cost DWP nothing
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Username_removed said:Geoff1964 said:i want nothing that im not entitled to, 35 years i gave to my country , if they think im not deserving then i will cost DWP nothing
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The timescale is purely a guide and nothing more. No one can tell you how long exactly a decision will take. Having a paper based assessment for PIP doesn't mean you've been successfully awarded, it just means no face 2 face was needed. Ask for a copy of the assessment report to be sent to you, this will give you some idea what the decision will be as they mostly go with the recommendations in the report.
I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help. -
No i dont need a copy , when the decision is made they will let me know whether thats 6 weeks or 16 weeks, obviously i should have done much more homework to find out the best way forward with my application, as you say the time scale is just a guide so when they tell you on the phone that it takes 16 weeks to come to a decision they should of said upto 16 weeks, just more misleading information, but i get that its down to the claiment to find all the criteria as its not put forward to you unless you look through any stipulations etc they have, I will wait now and see what the outcome is no doubt they will make the correct decision whether i agree with it or not, thanks for pointing these things out for me, maybe you can write a paper on things you should ask and be prepared for when making a claim it would be very useful for future ref
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Hi all, got my decision re pip. I got enhanced rate of mobility and enhanced rate of care and if i am reading it right that is awarded until 2028 unless circumstances change in anyway, thank you all for your input in what for me was a stressful time, I hope i can be of help to someone else on here in return for the constructive advice i got here
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Hello @Geoff1964 Congratulations to you. Pleased for you. Another positive result.
Pleasure to meet you and hope we can help any time as a community. Please ask and keep in touch.
Take care
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