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PIP full of false information

expoexpo Member Posts: 4 Listener
edited May 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
My PIP has been stopped and I feel this is because the people who handle this have been told to fail every one. The reason I say this is because I found in the report, the person who filled it in has put in false information.  They have ignored my condition and blatantly filled it in fraudulently.  This has happened before and I was put through a long and humiliating experience having to appeal against it and then sit in front of a group of people and explain myself.  It is degrading and all the information is now in the hands of a private company and this is bordering on the side of the law in relation to confidentiality. It seems they are playing on failing every one and seeing how many will appeal. As an OAP I am having to go through this all again and feel this is both humiliating and destructive to my health. It show's that the Government have no concern to the well being of the elderly and do not care as to how we end our lives after working over 50 years and paying tax. Now we are of no use to them and so are being neglected.

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  • AuraAura Member Posts: 42 Courageous
    Can you approach CAB, or help the aged?
    All women are equal.  Deeds, not words.
  • barberannabarberanna Member Posts: 22 Courageous
    Don’t give up , get what your entitled to . Make sure you back everything up with the help of your doctor , specialist, O.T etc but pls don’t give up 
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    expo said:
    My PIP has been stopped and I feel this is because the people who handle this have been told to fail every one. The reason I say this is because I found in the report, the person who filled it in has put in false information.  They have ignored my condition and blatantly filled it in fraudulently.  This has happened before and I was put through a long and humiliating experience having to appeal against it and then sit in front of a group of people and explain myself.  It is degrading and all the information is now in the hands of a private company and this is bordering on the side of the law in relation to confidentiality. It seems they are playing on failing every one and seeing how many will appeal. As an OAP I am having to go through this all again and feel this is both humiliating and destructive to my health. It show's that the Government have no concern to the well being of the elderly and do not care as to how we end our lives after working over 50 years and paying tax. Now we are of no use to them and so are being neglected.
    I used to say many years ago when it was becoming apparent that the inhabitants of this country was expanding so rapidly that there would come a time when some sort of reduction programme would have to be put in place.
     More people living longer, more people coming here to live and more people breeding more children.

    My suggestion at the time was quite simple. Make an offer to those over 70 that the government would provide an effective  way out AND would not only pay for the funeral but would promise to look after financially the children and grandchildren left behind.

    Maybe an assessment as to who makes little financial contribution to the country and takes more out of it.
  • barberannabarberanna Member Posts: 22 Courageous
    It’s a sad situation if it’s going down that route . 
    Disability shouldn’t come as an expense to age , gender , ethnicity , religion . 
    Money is a necessary evil unfortunately. 
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    It’s a sad situation if it’s going down that route . 
    Disability shouldn’t come as an expense to age , gender , ethnicity , religion . 
    Money is a necessary evil unfortunately. 
    In the sense that it shouldn't, but the reality is that disability is going to cost this country more year on year. The next obvious question is who and how is it going to be paid for?

    Should we accept that the workers of this country will have to pay more in tax & NIC and in doing so it will also fall on the young who then may never be able to buy a home.?

    You are right disability shouldn't come as an expense but then what choice do we have?

  • barberannabarberanna Member Posts: 22 Courageous
    twonker said:
    It’s a sad situation if it’s going down that route . 
    Disability shouldn’t come as an expense to age , gender , ethnicity , religion . 
    Money is a necessary evil unfortunately. 
    In the sense that it shouldn't, but the reality is that disability is going to cost this country more year on year. The next obvious question is who and how is it going to be paid for?

    Should we accept that the workers of this country will have to pay more in tax & NIC and in doing so it will also fall on the young who then may never be able to buy a home.?

    You are right disability shouldn't come as an expense but then what choice do we have?


  • barberannabarberanna Member Posts: 22 Courageous
    I’m not sure what the answer to that will be , it’s a scary place to be as a young person and tbh if I had my life again I’d prepare more for my future although I was very sensible and took out private insurances. 
    I’m definitely not in the upper class and have had to work many a menial job ....
    but the system should be fair for all now 
    good luck in your appeal 
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    barberanna said:....
    but the system should be fair for all now 
    good luck in your appeal 
    There is nothing fair where government policies and benefit regulations are involved.
    It's a case of some win some don't - that's how it is.
    I am not doing an appeal, didn't see the point in it.
  • AuraAura Member Posts: 42 Courageous
    the people who handle this have been told to fail every one. 

    Doesn't surprise me at all....
    All women are equal.  Deeds, not words.
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    Aura said:
    the people who handle this have been told to fail every one. 

    Doesn't surprise me at all....
    Personally when my review comes round in May 2020 I don't care what they do. I have given up with trying to put forward my arguments only to be told 'irrelevant'. If I get an award of anything that's OK, if nothing then so be it.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Aura said:
    the people who handle this have been told to fail every one. 

    Doesn't surprise me at all....
    Sorry, i disagree completely. I've successfully claimed PIP since 2013 and my daughter since 2017, both of use have had reviews and my daughters most recent review was paper based. Decision made on her claim was about 5 weeks ago, She was awarded Enhanced for both parts. Plenty of people successfully claim PIP without any problems at all.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    Aura said:
    the people who handle this have been told to fail every one. 

    Doesn't surprise me at all....
    Plenty of people successfully claim PIP without any problems at all.
    The burning question surely has to be how it is for some but not others.
    Knowing that answer should in theory result in everyone being awarded PIP?
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    ilovecats said:




    No because not everyone who applies is eligible. Some people are just not as disabled or functionally restricted enough to meet the criteria. If everyone who applied was awarded, then the stakes and crate would just be raised to exclude even more people than there are now.
    I agree but then it could be the case that you are ineligible because you are taking the correct medication which removes most if not all the side effects and symptoms. It could well be a lottery then depending on having the right medical professionals in place. 
    I have just been diagnosed with unstable Angina. I have suffered for almost 18 months before reporting it to my GP. I am now on medication which I am told will/should remove the symptoms. The point I am trying to make is that up until this week and had I mentioned these problems at my last review, no doubt the symptoms would have been taken into account and maybe ended up with an Enhanced award instead of the usual standard one. It would have probably been accepted that I was disabled and functionally restricted. Now with this medication I am told that all or most of the restrictions will disappear so whatever points I previously were awarded would now be removed?
     
  • April2018momApril2018mom Member [under moderation] Posts: 2,882 Member - under moderation
    You should contact CAB for advice. When I received our first assessment report I was surprised to see the number of lies in the assessment report that was sent. My son’s amazing social worker helped me contest the decision made. We initially were awarded nothing but after a mandatory reconsideration that changed. And a letter writing campaign led by the social worker and myself. My partner was able to help me by making copies of relevant paperwork. 
  • AuraAura Member Posts: 42 Courageous
    It's a wonder no complaint was made about the lie's.
    All women are equal.  Deeds, not words.
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    Aura said:
    It's a wonder no complaint was made about the lie's.
    Sometimes the 'lies' are nothing more than a differing opinion. As for complaining, you really have to be joking. Do you honestly believe that making a complaint will actually change anything?
    Even the Parliamentary Committees have complained to the Minister which more often than not is ignored or not acted on. 
  • bracabraca Member [under moderation] Posts: 85 Pioneering
    There are No lies told at F2F assessments by HP but sometimes they do bend the truth to suit their own employers IAS/Capita who impose time constraints on them  to supply reports and they could miss out on further evidence provided as all their employers care about is profit and not peoples health dealing with daily activities and mobility issues . I know for a fact in my own case  HP did not use up to date evidence supplied by my own consultants that was critical to show I met descriptors to award PIP, My evidence was then looked at by different assessor at MR stage and award given to myself. System Flawed and not fit for purpose yet these assessment firms continue to make huge profits. To all on forum do not give up the fight and keep challenging those Private companies who as a priority are putting Profit before Patients. A lot of HP assessors do care but their hands are tied by Greedy employers.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,760 Disability Gamechanger
    twonker said:
    ilovecats said:




    No because not everyone who applies is eligible. Some people are just not as disabled or functionally restricted enough to meet the criteria. If everyone who applied was awarded, then the stakes and crate would just be raised to exclude even more people than there are now.
    I agree but then it could be the case that you are ineligible because you are taking the correct medication which removes most if not all the side effects and symptoms. It could well be a lottery then depending on having the right medical professionals in place. 
    I have just been diagnosed with unstable Angina. I have suffered for almost 18 months before reporting it to my GP. I am now on medication which I am told will/should remove the symptoms. The point I am trying to make is that up until this week and had I mentioned these problems at my last review, no doubt the symptoms would have been taken into account and maybe ended up with an Enhanced award instead of the usual standard one. It would have probably been accepted that I was disabled and functionally restricted. Now with this medication I am told that all or most of the restrictions will disappear so whatever points I previously were awarded would now be removed?
     
    Pray tell which specific points you think you would have scored had medication not covered up your symptoms?
  • twonkertwonker Member [under moderation] Posts: 617 Pioneering
    twonker said:
    ilovecats said:




     
    Pray tell which specific points you think you would have scored had medication not covered up your symptoms?

    For a start none of the symptoms I was having for the past 18 months was considered appropriate by me in putting them down on the claim form. I believed that they were caused by age, doing too much. working under extreme stress etc - the normal everyday stuff. I was having these issues every other day I have no idea what points they would have related to as I don't understand much about that side of it.

    It would have helped with the mobility element points I think as being breathless after doing something simple like walk up stairs at home and having to stop halfway up or even just walk down the side of the house.
    Feeling sick all of the time and having uncomfortable chest pains that made me just give up what I was doing and I suppose could have been a problem when cooking.
    I was tired after doing the simplest of jobs. which I suppose would not have been helpful if I was left on my own or on my own whilst in the bath.

    Now that I have this gtn spray and take it every time I have an attack, all of those feelings, symptoms, worries and inabilities have gone. The only worry I now have is that if the problems don't go away after using it 3 times someone has to ring 999.

    The descriptors that could have been affected by those issues now no longer exist. So medication is able to get me back to where I was before these attacks started. It's the same with the pain killing medication. Ever since I have been prescribed them all the pain felt has been reduced dramatically. That is why I also didn't mention those medical problems as they were not as disabling as they were when I was claiming DLA High Mobility & Care. I now get standard care (4 sets of aids) and nothing for mobility.
  • Deb_AlumniDeb_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 192 Pioneering

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