PIP Question - Dressing & Undressing (Prosthesis) - Page 3 — Scope | Disability forum
Please read our updated community house rules and community guidelines.

PIP Question - Dressing & Undressing (Prosthesis)

13»

Comments

  • Stalin
    Stalin Community member Posts: 29 Listener
    Hi Puppy...My congenital disability is as such that would qualify me for both the descriptors despite we are eligible for only one descriptor. I have explained my situation this way to ensure DWP understand the intensity of my disability as Capita has mislead them...Thank you..
  • drewdundee
    drewdundee Community member Posts: 49 Courageous
    edited June 2019
    Hi Stalin, 

    You do not need to repeat your medical condition to us in every post we understand. I do not think you understand Poppy, Under that section dressing and undressing you can only be scored once, not twice for two different descriptors so focus on that. They dont need two descriptions, they just want to know how it affects you.
    Hope this helps.
  • Stalin
    Stalin Community member Posts: 29 Listener
    Hi drewdundee...  I completely  understand you and Puppy. I am not countering your views at all as you are all kindly helping me. I have just comprehensively elaborated my situation to DWP that i certainly need assistance to manage my dressing and  undressing needs.  
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,349 Disability Gamechanger
    We understand that but you've concentrated on 2 descriptors, when you only need to concentrate on the one, like we've all been trying to explain to you. You've just made it more complicated.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Stalin
    Stalin Community member Posts: 29 Listener
    Many thanks for all your kind advises. DWP has fully ignored my difficulties for dressing in their award calculation and hence: I had to provide my justification in my MR comprehensively and which may be appearing as covering both the descriptors such as B and D, but I meant to convince them genuinely with my difficulties.
  • drewdundee
    drewdundee Community member Posts: 49 Courageous
    edited June 2019
    I hope your letter covers whats actually relevant cause I am not sure how you can be under two different descriptors when they are ..... Descriptor D - Is you cannot get dressed or undressed at all. Clearly you can it's just difficult. Descriptor B is you can get dressed or undressed using a special aid, this one is more likely to be the one they select cause you CAN get dressed. So you cannot have both descriptor D and B as an option you can only have one. Tried to help in this one but I don't know maybe. Your reply should be focused around how you get dressed (cause you can) and the difficulties it poses you, not based around the descriptors they use to score you. 

    I wish you all the best in your MR. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 53,349 Disability Gamechanger
    Descriptor B and D both score the same points. B is using and aid where as D is needing assistance for the lower body, it's not about not being able to dress at all as that's F.  Even though they both score the same points you really do need to focus on which descriptor fits you and not on both descriptors like you did.

    This is the whole reason advice was given to seek face to face advice.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Stalin
    Stalin Community member Posts: 29 Listener
    Hi Puppy you are right the descriptor D is about the assistance required to get lower body and not the whole body. I am not sure if they consider my prosthesis as an aid and hence had to keep myself justified against B and D descriptors. In case they overlook B again then at least justification D will force them to look in to my situation. Thanks All
  • Stalin
    Stalin Community member Posts: 29 Listener
    edited June 2019
    Dear All,

    I think i am at least eligible for 2 points for my dressing and undressing needs as i need something to sit on to initiate this activity. The below extract from the upper tribunal judgment " Appeal No. [removed by moderator]" 

    Please look at  " Needing to sit does not show an impaired function for carrying out the activity" which means if we were to sit because of an impaired function, the thing that we use to sit on should be considered as an aid..... Do you all agree with it?.

    35. The tribunal also applied its approach correctly. The evidence was that the claimant sat in order to put on her jeans and take them off because of impaired balance. It is normal to carry out that aspect of dressing and undressing while standing, but it is just as normal to do so sitting down for convenience. Balance for that part of dressing and undressing is not required in order to carry out the activity in a normal manner. Needing to sit does not show an impaired function for carrying out the activity, but only for one manner of carrying out the activity. The tribunal was right, on the evidence, to find that the claimant did not score points for this Activity 6.”
     
  • cristobal
    cristobal Community member Posts: 984 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 2019
    @stalin - I'm still of the opinion that you ought to pick which descriptor applies, and support this with brief examples rather than pages and pages.

     Others have given similar advice but you don't seem to receptive to this - which is fine, you must make your own decision. You have to convince the DWP of you arguments not the readers of this forum.

    You are now quoting caselaw - which no-one on here will be able to advise on as it's a specialist area.

    I really do think that you need to seek specialist face to face advice on this, as others have advised, but I think it best to wait until you get the result of your MR. There's nothing can be done until you receive that...

Brightness

Do you need advice on your energy costs?


Scope’s Disability Energy Support service is open to any disabled household in England or Wales in which one or more disabled people live. You can get free advice from an expert adviser on managing energy debt, switching tariffs, contacting your supplier and more. Find out more information by visiting our
Disability Energy Support webpage.