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How long does a PIP decision normally take?

kazz3105
kazz3105 Member Posts: 18 Connected
edited June 11 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Hi I applied for pip in October last year, it was a change in my disability. I had my telephone assessment in May then a text to say that they had the assessment. Today I received a letter telling me that they had everything needed, that was sent 3rd June. Does that mean that they are looking at my claim now?  How long after getting that letter does it take. I phoned last week to ask for a copy of the assessors report.

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  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,432 Disability Gamechanger
    @ kazz3105, hello and welcome. You can phone the DWP, and request a copy of your assessment report and on receiving it you can work out what your award may should be but you still have to wait for the award notification letter. From applying for PIP to getting the award notification letter can take over 6 months.
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    I am not sure because I got text saying they received my report and to wait 8 weeks I believe for a response/decision? Then a few days later I got the decision... (a big fat no lol)
    Got no letter in between saying they had all they need? So hopefully it's because you have a better decision maker than me lol :lol: good luck @kazz3105 :smile:
  • kazz3105
    kazz3105 Member Posts: 18 Connected
    Got letter this morning its the same rate as before, standard for both. I have copd, among other illnesses but I have gone from stage 1 to stage 3, my consultant has told me that the rate my copd is progressing I will need oxygen by the end of this year. I'm 2 points short of enhanced on both. Do they have a quota that they cannot go over? My consultant has been in touch with them but unfortunately someone sat in an office knows more than someone who spent years at uni and built up his career, they don't give anyone a consultancy.
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    This is the problem apparently its not about our illness or diagnosis etc it's about how we struggle with certain tasks and doctors don't see us enough at home etc so their view or diagnosis means nowt apparently :disappointed: that's why they rarely contact or use things from doctors unless we send in ourselves? I thought my specialist for my copd and asthma would be able to help but apparently letters from family or friends who help us regularly or see how we struggle to do the tasks they ask about are better?
    So sorry you didn't get the decision you needed hun! I hope you manage to get it sorted asap! 🙏🤞💪Xx
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    I wish they would maybe explain what we should provide rather than make us figure it out from others experience or looking it up ourselves :disappointed: if I'd of known from the beginning I needed to fill in a how disability affects me form which I was never sent I'd of pushed to get one sent? And if I'd of known they weren't going to contact doctors etc I would of done it? I don't know it just always seems so negative and like it's there to trip people up rather than actually help but all I do is moan and complain lately so il shhh just hope you manage to get the support you need hun? I hope we all do! Xx
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    I know it seems hopeless @kazz3105 but on plus side at least you kept standard rate both? I was on them for 10 years and lost both because of this assessment? And then lost my esa disability premium too so lost 700 a month in one hit its been bloody hard work! But its still rubbish you have to keep fighting! Big hugs hun and I really will shut my hole now :lol: stay strong?! 
  • kazz3105
    kazz3105 Member Posts: 18 Connected
    Apparently I will get the assessors report early next week. Even she asked if I wanted to postpone the assessment because of my breathing. I told her no, I'm sick of fighting. Especially when my sister just got enhanced for both, she works full time in a furniture warehouse lifting and carrying and in her spare time she's riding her bloody horse, her disability really affects her life. We genuine cases have to fight and fight for years and they get it handed to them on a plate.
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    I know it's so depressing :disappointed: I had to stop 5 times to use inhalers etc she said I showed no sign of being breathless on the call?? She also disagreed with the stuff I told her? For example she said "you told me you struggle to use a shower or bath I decided you can do both these things" and "you told me you struggle to walk 2 or 3 meters I decided you can walk 200 meters unaided"?!! The whole thing was so frustrating to read but unfortunately we have to fight or we just continue struggling it's so hard to stay positive! But I am sure if you keep fighting it will work out hun xx
  • Popdiva43
    Popdiva43 Member Posts: 144 Pioneering
    Hi all kazz3105 I know how you feel, I'm in process of taking pup to court, as got zero points even my rep is confused as its states in all forms I scruggle, but got nothing, and there's someone I know who teachers kids football during the week and gets it all, I'm just baffled, as I have to use crutches to get about 24/7,but I'm OK apperently, I just think when you have a phone assessment it goes against you. 
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,414

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    edited June 11
    kazz3105 said:
    Got letter this morning its the same rate as before, standard for both. I have copd, among other illnesses but I have gone from stage 1 to stage 3, my consultant has told me that the rate my copd is progressing I will need oxygen by the end of this year. I'm 2 points short of enhanced on both. Do they have a quota that they cannot go over? My consultant has been in touch with them but unfortunately someone sat in an office knows more than someone who spent years at uni and built up his career, they don't give anyone a consultancy.
    @kazz3105 Sorry to hear the decision wasn't what you expected, I can really empathise with your frustration.  To reassure you, the decision makers don't have a quota to work to but rather make case by case decisions based on the evidence provided.  Will you be submitting a mandatory reconsideration (MR)?  Here's a Scope webpage that outlines how to go about pursuing a MR and if you need any help along the way, please just let us know.  Alternatively, you can always access free independent welfare advice close to where you live via the Advice Local website.

    I've moved your discussion to our PIP, DLA and AA category and amended the thread title so it's more visible to others with the same question.  Good luck and please let us know how you get on
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  • kazz3105
    kazz3105 Member Posts: 18 Connected
    I will be asking for a mandatory reconsideration without a doubt. I had an appeal early this year but it took over 18 months just to fail. The doctor asked if I could get to my doctors and tavel in my local area, well I've been with the same doctors all my life, and they haven't moved and as for the local area I've lived here 52 years in the same estate so I know my local area like the back of my hand. It took over 18 months. I don't think I can go through the stress and anxiety of it all again. Maybe that's what they want! It's really getting me down everything takes so long 😞 and I'm weary.
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    Hugs hun it is a lot to deal with! But please don't give up 🤗💪🙏🌺
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,846 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 11
    kazz3105 said:
    Do they have a quota that they cannot go over? 
    No, they do not. One of the usual Facebook myths. Good to see @Cher_Scope
    has already commented to the same effect. 
    kazz3105 said:
    My consultant has been in touch with them but unfortunately someone sat in an office knows more than someone who spent years at uni and built up his career, they don't give anyone a consultancy.
    It's not really about this. When you claim the burden of proof is on you to show that you're entitled and to gather the evidence to prove that. Medical evidence is often useless though unless it's directed explicitly to the descriptors. Never yet read a consultants report which does that. 
    Emilyb81 said:
    This is the problem apparently its not about our illness or diagnosis etc it's about how we struggle with certain tasks and doctors don't see us enough at home etc so their view or diagnosis means nowt apparently :disappointed: that's why they rarely contact or use things from doctors unless we send in ourselves? I thought my specialist for my copd and asthma would be able to help but apparently letters from family or friends who help us regularly or see how we struggle to do the tasks they ask about are better?
    Diagnosis has always been irrelevant to disability benefits since they were introduced in the 1970s. Why should it matter? Two people having the same condition is irrelevant to entitlement as it will affect them differently; progress at different rates and be influenced by lots of different things e.g. people's perception of pain etc. The key issue has always been the consequence of the diagnosis not the diagnosis itself. Again, that's why medical evidence which gives diagnosis, meds/treatment and prognosis is probably only useful for deciding the length of an award but not the rate. Focusing on diagnosis instantly penalises those with no diagnosis and yet clear indisputable consequences. 

    Evidence directed to the descriptors is better. Have you prepared food for you doctor? Gone to the toilet in front of him? Read to him? Done some budgeting in front of him? If not, then there is a limit to the usefulness of GP evidence in all but a small number of cases where people lack insight into their own health condition. Letters from family/friends are of no use at all unless directed at the descriptors and they're rarely needed if your PIP 2 is properly completed. kazz3105 said:
    I'm sick of fighting. Especially when my sister just got enhanced for both, she works full time in a furniture warehouse lifting and carrying and in her spare time she's riding her bloody horse, her disability really affects her life. We genuine cases have to fight and fight for years and they get it handed to them on a plate.
    Focusing on the plight of others will not assist your claim at all. Just as people will look at you and have no idea what you're going through you likely have little idea re: your sister. Either way, far better to focus on the strengths and weaknesses of your own evidence than indulge in blame culture. As per the previous comment around diagnosis it's as well to remember that people don't see all the consequences of your health and mostly will only see you doing stuff rather than not doing stuff. Same applies here. 

    I suggest you withdraw the comment about people getting PIP handed to them on a plate. It is grossly offensive to anyone who has attempted to claim a disability benefit whether entitled or not. Emilyb81 said:
     She also disagreed with the stuff I told her?
    Again, this is about understanding the process and the role of the HCP. They are not there to simply copy down what you say nor to repeat it unquestioningly to a decision maker. They are there to make a recommendation and that is based not just on the call but also the contents of your claim pack and any other evidence before them. They are there to assess and recommend. If they were there to just accept everything you said then... why would they be needed at all. Popdiva43 said:
    Hi all kazz3105 I know how you feel, I'm in process of taking pup to court, as got zero points even my rep is confused as its states in all forms I scruggle, but got nothing, and there's someone I know who teachers kids football during the week and gets it all, I'm just baffled, as I have to use crutches to get about 24/7,but I'm OK apperently, I just think when you have a phone assessment it goes against you. 
    You are not going to court. You will be doing a tribunal. They are very different and governed by entirely different rules. It is really important to understand the differences. 

    Again, comparisons to others are both odious and irrelevant. PIP doesn't assess what you can do but what you can't do reliably. I am struggling to see the relevance of being a football coach for scoring points on preparing food, eating, therapy, toileting, bathing, dressing, reading and budgeting. The implication as ever is that people who struggle to do stuff are fraudsters and everyone else is not. It doesn't really stand up to a moments analysis. There is good case law on the fact that claimants cannot be expected to sit in a chair all day and do nothing.

    The experience on phone assessments is mixed but in general they have worked very well and certainly for the first six months of lockdown decision were almost always positive. They help take lots of subjectivity out of the equation too. You can't be judged on what you're wearing etc. if you can't be seen. 

    Apologies for stepping in but sometimes you read threads which are so off beam that they scream for a recalibration. The focus of the above quotes is all wrong. Please take the advice already given and secure yourself welfare rights advice and representation i.e. someone who will attend a hearing on the day and not just put something in advance. Your cases need assessment as to their merits and honesty as to the likely outcomes. Turning your gaze outwards and away from your own evidence is really not going to help here. Advice and representation really ought to. 
  • kazz3105
    kazz3105 Member Posts: 18 Connected
    I've contacted welfare rights as suggested in a previous post. I didn't/don't intend to offend anyone about to or going through this process, apologies. As for my sister we are close and she has no health issues. I have my daughter who is my carer going through the descriptors and preparing a letter for me to send with my MR.
    Again if I have offended anyone please accept my apologies I just needed a rant.
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    @mikehughescq that's kind of what I was saying? Until I came on here I had no idea that diagnosis wasn't as important as proving we have difficulty performing certain tasks or can't do them at all? I'd never seen the list of descriptors until I came here either? So I thought the most important thing was doctors and specialist support letters? And as I've said many times before so I'm sorry if I am repeating myself I didn't ever get the chance to fill out a form because I wasn't ever sent one and they knew that in December when I spoke to them on the phone he asked if I'd filled a how my disability affects me form in I said nope he said he can't find one on system and then said ah well just wait til you get your assessment call and go from there? I can only speak on my own experience obviously and my own opinion about all this stuff it's why I tend to mention myself and seem to be hijacking others posts speaking about me! I believe that they could of made my journey a lot simpler and maybe quicker had they of sent me that form in the first place as it was 3 months until my assessment call? I didn't even know how important it was until you guys here told me after I got turned down?
    I also now understand that the assessors job is not to repeat what we say in the assessment call but rather to make their opinions based on what we tell them in the call and what other information they have received if any? So the reason I get and still am a little frustrated and I guess resentful is because in my opinion that's not what happened to me? Because having read the decision letter repeatedly (stupid I know but part of my Obsessive-compulsive issues) she clearly says on 7 of the questions /descriptors the opposite of what I did? And I do not understand why or how she came to the conclusion I was a liar? But for example she said "you told me you struggle to walk 2 or 3 meters without stopping being out of breath and using a stick? I decided you can in fact walk 200 meters unaided"?!! And I also told her I do not and can not use either a shower or a bathtub and gave several examples of why that is and told her in detail how I have to wash instead? She said "you told me you have no trouble with bathing or showering so I've awarded you no points for that?! And another off top of my head is I have tendonitis in my right leg so it just gives way randomly hence the stick as I've fallen and hurt myself ending up in hospital many times recently? She phoned me back 30 minutes after my assessment ended and asked me who it was who diagnosed me with the tendonitis? I said my gp she said OK just wanted to make sure I had it down right! Then in decision letter it says I told them I have no issues with any of my limbs and never mentions anything about my leg giving me issues! 
    And as I said there were more examples of this same thing where they basically call me a liar or ignore what I've told them without checking first :disappointed: and then the letters I sent from family and friends also support workers who have watched me struggle and helped me to do things but again not until I was told about that here.... 
    So while I understand that not all dwp are scumbags and I know some do their jobs very well and sometimes the claimants make mistakes too! It seems a lot of people are  told no when they shouldn't be or not awarded points they should be! And I know that they have a job to do and they obviously all think they are doing it right or up to standard but also it cant be a coincidence that so many people have their decisions overturned at appeal stage? Why if they are in fact entitled to that help are they told they aren't so many times?
    I know none of this will help our mandatory reconsideration or appeals but surely its normal for people to get peed off and have a moan about the process if its causing them stress?
     I think the advice that is given on this forum is super helpful :smile: I just don't understand why so many people are put through so much stress and anxiety etc just trying to get the support they need? I know it's not always down to the dwp but I see over and over the same things happening to people over and over again and clearly someone somewhere is not doing the right thing at least one person it can't be the same person who is doing all these assessments?
    Its just frustrating hearing the same stuff repeatedly and knowing that they are going to continue pushing people who are already struggling and stressed to their absolute limit just because they can?
    Anyhoo I have gone on far too long now sorry peeps just don't want you all to think I'm a negative a-hole and I'm sorry if I too have peed anyone off or offended anyone I just haven't been in this situation before and I guess I'm not coping with it too good and I just hope we all get the help we need and can stop having to fight and battle our way through this stuff but maybe I'm expecting too much!
    Nite nite guys ❤️ 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,846 Disability Gamechanger
    Being sent a PIP 2 would have added evidence. However it would not have sped up the time to an assessment. There are massive delays as a consequence of a pandemic.
  • Emilyb81
    Emilyb81 Member Posts: 528 Pioneering
    I know I meant maybe I would of got the other 2 points needed on daily living if they had that information? It's OK it's all done now just wish it didn't keep bothering me so much as I know there's nothing more can be done? I think it's just not being able to switch my brain off in general that's the problem here! But it's even worse when I feel I've been called a liar? Must be something from childhood? Always absolutely hated people judging me wrong or saying I've lied to the point I get so angry I've self harmed so it's actually something that I need to address? Maybe that's what all this has been about? I believe things happen for a reason and we learn from stuff even when negative not normally until after but maybe this is to make me get some support around my obsessive thinking?
    Anyhoo I don't mean to come across like a bratt who didn't get her own way so she's kicking off left and right honestly I do try to see things from all angles but this particular situation has just affected me a lot probably as its stopped me even being able to attend hospital appointments etc so I'm always worrying my case will get closed blah blah blah because everywhere you go now it always seems to be doors being closed in your face or they are looking for reasons not to help? So I get defensive etc :smile: if nothing else comes from all this rubbish situation hopefully I can be more aware of my own nonsense thinking? Lol Nite peeps sorry again for rabbiting on! :lol: 

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