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  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    @poppy123456 would working with descriptor 13 be a contradiction? 

    I have suspected autism but my mental health is an absolute mess too. That's why they chose that descriptor I believe. But one of my friends is autistic and he has the same problems as me but he works.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Lots of people find claiming benefits very stressful, even those that don't suffer with mental health.
    sierrafox said:
    @poppy123456 would working with descriptor 13 be a contradiction? 

    I have suspected autism but my mental health is an absolute mess too. That's why they chose that descriptor I believe. But one of my friends is autistic and he has the same problems as me but he works.
    Descriptor 13? there's no such descriptor for PIP or are you talking about ESA? Sorry but confused now because the thread is about PIP.

  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    Lots of people find claiming benefits very stressful, even those that don't suffer with mental health.
    sierrafox said:
    @poppy123456 would working with descriptor 13 be a contradiction? 

    I have suspected autism but my mental health is an absolute mess too. That's why they chose that descriptor I believe. But one of my friends is autistic and he has the same problems as me but he works.
    Descriptor 13? there's no such descriptor for PIP or are you talking about ESA? Sorry but confused now because the thread is about PIP.

    Sorry for ESA yes. The initiating personal action descriptor. I didn’t want to start a completely brand new thread for a query. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    That will be descriptor 11, not 13, as advised in your other thread here. https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/94265/completing-two-personal-actions#latest
    I have no idea if working will contradict that because i don't know exactly how your conditions affect you. In a few threads you said you weren't ready to return to work so it's a moot point really. I think it would be better to concentrate on your health conditions first before deciding whether to return to work or not.


  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    That will be descriptor 11, not 13, as advised in your other thread here. https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/94265/completing-two-personal-actions#latest
    I have no idea if working will contradict that because i don't know exactly how your conditions affect you. In a few threads you said you weren't ready to return to work so it's a moot point really. I think it would be better to concentrate on your health conditions first before deciding whether to return to work or not.


    I just couldn’t help but think with a review due in December time or January. A 3 month phased return and I’d be getting reviewed again. Unless I use 3 months to get better. Options I guess. 

    Work have offered me a 30 minute shift. Quite mad really. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Remember the advice i gave in your other thread about ESA reviews. The timescale is just a guide. All reviews for the work capability assessment have been suspended for more than a year because of backlogs of people waiting for their first assessment.
    At the moment there's no sign of the reviews starting back up so you may not have your review at the time you think. LCWRA/Support Group has no end date like a PIP claim does.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    Remember the advice i gave in your other thread about ESA reviews. The timescale is just a guide. All reviews for the work capability assessment have been suspended for more than a year because of backlogs of people waiting for their first assessment.
    At the moment there's no sign of the reviews starting back up so you may not have your review at the time you think. LCWRA/Support Group has no end date like a PIP claim does.
    I’d rather be reviewed tbh they’ve missed stuff about my medical conditions in my report and I have new conditions to report too. 

    Do I need to do that without a review?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    No you don’t need to report any new conditions because you’re already in the Support Group. Reporting them isn’t going to achieve anything. 
    This has been advised so many times on other threads of yours and there’s nothing further to add here. Sorry but I’m not going to keep going round in circles again. 
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    What is the support group all about?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    The ESA Support Group is for those who are living with severe disabilities or health conditions which makes it unreasonable to require them to engage in work-related activities.
    I'm out now and won't make any further comments. I can't keep going round in circles like this, sorry.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    Before the pandemic I was able to go out but only if accompanied by another person. I bet I would have scored for 1f at that point?
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,793 Championing
    Biblioklept said:
    OverlyAnxious said:
    I sent the review forms 12 months ago.  I have not had an assessment - but I'm hoping for a paper based assessment so will just get the decision in the post.

    (I can't travel, speak or manage any person face to face/on video.  So if I'm not awarded by paper, will have no way to complete an assessment myself.)
    Just curious, did you write this on your form? 
    I wrote something similar to that.  I didn't specifically ask for a paper assessment, although it was implied. 

    I'm very wary of telling them I can't manage any sort of assessment as they then just have to take my word for everything and trust that I'm not just making it all up.  I know what it looks like from their side!
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    What would happen if you made a single journey once on the descriptor 1E?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    sierrafox said:
    What would happen if you made a single journey once on the descriptor 1E?

    Nothing because that's not the majority of the time. You've been given this advice several times.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    Must not be able to undertake a single journey?



    This descriptor applies to claimants where undertaking any journey causes overwhelming psychological distress (OPD) despite being aided.
    ‘Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they are unable to undertake other journeys during the same day. Being able to complete a journey at night time only however, is not considered to be completing a journey to an acceptable standard. Therefore, in these instances, this descriptor may be appropriate.
    OPD means distress related to a mental health condition or intellectual or cognitive impairment resulting in a severe anxiety state in which the symptoms are so severe that the person cannot undertake a journey without being overwhelmed. The threshold is a high one - a claimant who is anxious, worried or emotional does not meet it.
    This descriptor is likely to apply to claimants with severe mental health conditions (severe agoraphobia or panic disorder) or cognitive impairments (a person with dementia who may become very agitated and distressed when leaving home, to the extent that journeys outside the home can no longer be made either at all, or on the majority of days, even with the support of another person).
    A claimant who satisfies 1e cannot also satisfy 1f. If they cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days, then 1e will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.
     
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    sierrafox said:
    Must not be able to undertake a single journey?

     

    You're totally overthinking this. Making one journey will not affect this descriptor because that's not the mnajority of the time. If you go out at night that isn't counted as 1 single journey either. We've discussed this so many times and all we continue to do is go round in circles. There's nothing further to add than what's already been advised.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    sierrafox said:
    A claimant who satisfies 1e cannot also satisfy 1f. If they cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days, then 1e will be the applicable descriptor, 
    The key bit which is as highlighted. This has been mentioned over and over again in your threads.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    This is such weird wording! 



    ‘Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they are unable to undertake other journeys during the same day.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    sierrafox said:
    This is such weird wording! 



    ‘Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they are unable to undertake other journeys during the same day.

    You're forgetting the other 6 days. Its the majority of the days that count.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    edited August 2022
    I’m not sure I’m keen on this response below in quotes.  There was me thinking you’re allowed to cheer yourself up and connect to people if you can’t do it face to face. 

    “”””Hi AnxiousAnonymous,
    I am not aware of writing on forums or texting comprising this task. The examples I provided are derived from various cases. If you use the sort of examples I have suggested these are obvious and non-controversial.
    I'm not entirely sure what personal sequential actions would comprise gaming or writing on forums. I think there is a great danger that if you proudly exclaim on your ESA/UC form that you can't complete or start a task whilst on a forum or you fail to prioritise which weapon to pick up when on Xbox, DWP might think hmmm shouldn't be playing Xbox, or posting online should be at work!””””””

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