Help regarding pip

TheOne1 · October 2022

Hi guys, I am new here, thank u for having me. I am lacking some information regarding pip.

I have a brother who has moderate learning difficulties, ptsd, deaf from one ear, and a heavy stutter due to speech impairment. He is under the care of many doctors and specialists.

He is currently getting ESA and is in the support group. With his ESA he is getting something known as Enhanced disability premium which is £17.75.

My question is in a few parts.

I am aware the enhanced disability Premium is added when u get ESA and when you are put in the support group, the Severe disability premium u only get if Ur living on Ur own and get pip. Which my brother can't get since he lives with his mum. As for the disability premium which is £36.20 I am confused about this.

I have come across conflicting and different replies here, maybe I don't understand the replies. So I am asking here for help, if I apply for pip for my brother what will happen to his enhanced Disability Premium? Will that change to the higher rate disability premium?

My second question is what confuses me the most. Regardless of the two premiums he can get, As mentioned I have come across in this very forum posts by many people that differ in answers, these posts state if u get some form of premium on Ur ESA because of pip and u get re assed for pip, and if Ur pip is stopped this can affect Ur ESA as the amount of ESA u get can be lowered, or Ur esa can be completely stoped because u are no longer entitled to that premium even if it's the enhanced premium which is part of the original ESA claim due to u being in the support group, Is this correct? Will the ESA stop due to the premium since it has a relation with pip.

Just say my brother carrys on getting the Enhanced disability premium with his esa and he gets pip, and his pip is stopped due to a re assesment, will his ESA stop or will it be reduced? And how can his ESA be reduced since the enhanced disability premium is given by ESA due to him being in the support group. And finally if he gets the higher rate disability premium and he gets re assessed and his pip is stopped, will that disability premium just stop and go back to enhanced disability premium? Or will the premiums just out right stop and in return stop his ESA or reduce it. The reduction doesn't make sense to me, since multiple posts say Ur ESA will be reduced if Ur pip stops because the entitlement to the premiums stop, but the enhanced disability premium isn't part of pip it's part of ESA so how can the £17.75 stop since it was never part of pip?.

A few threads here have stated by many people, that there pip was stopped and in return there ESA was reduced (makes sense if u getting a higher rate disability premium and it goes back down to enhanced rate) but if u allready getting enhanced rate premium from Ur ESA claim and u don't get the higher rate disability premium and u get pip, and then at re assessment Ur pip is stopped will that Enhanced Rate premium stop? If it does then will Ur ESA stop because the enhanced rate is automatically applied if ur in support group.

Thank u for reading my long post any help will be greatly appreciated.

calcotti · October 2022

1) if he gets PIP it will make no change to the EDP in his ESA. There is no disability premium in ESA, it applies to income based JSA and Income Support claims.

2) Getting and losing PIP would make no change to his ESA, it only makes a change to people entitled to the Severe Disability Premium in their ESA.

Note however that if your mum claims a disability benefit then if you brother got Daily Living PIP he would be entitled to the Severe Disability Premium in his ESA if his mother is the only adult he lives with and nobody claims Carers Allowance or the carer element of UC for looking after him.

poppy123456 · October 2022

You are confused by all the disability premiums and the eligibility criteria. The Enhanced disability premium is only paid when claiming Income Related ESA and it's automatically paid if you're in the Support Group. It has nothing to do with any PIP claim.

If you're in the WRAG the Enhanced disability Premium is only payable if you're receiving either Enhanced daily living PIP or High rate care DLA. You would lose this if you lost your DLA or PIP award.

The Disability premium (£36.20 single person) is not paid at all when claiming ESA. It is only paid when claiming either Income Related JSA or Income Support.

The SDP is only payable if you're classed as living alone or those you live with are either registered blind or they also claim a qualifying disability benefit such as PIP daily living, DLA mid/high rate care or AA.

TheOne1 · October 2022

poppy123456 said:

You are confused by all the disability premiums and the eligibility criteria. The Enhanced disability premium is only paid when claiming Income Related ESA and it's automatically paid if you're in the Support Group. It has nothing to do with any PIP claim.
If you're in the WRAG the Enhanced disability Premium is only payable if you're receiving either Enhanced daily living PIP or High rate care DLA. You would lose this if you lost your DLA or PIP award.
The Disability premium (£36.20 single person) is not paid at all when claiming ESA. It is only paid when claiming either Income Related JSA or Income Support.
The SDP is only payable if you're classed as living alone or those you live with are either registered blind or they also claim a qualifying disability benefit such as PIP daily living, DLA mid/high rate care or AA.

Thank u for your reply, so my mum is a pensioner and she is getting pip with the daily living part, she's over the age of 67, so if my brother were to get pip for his conditions he would get severe disability premium because he is living with his mum who is on a qualifying benefit, now my question is when he gets re assessed for pip and if loses his entitlement to pip will his ESA stop because the severe disability premium has stoped or will his ESA just get reduced back to The Enhanced disability premium.

Thank u so much for your help.

poppy123456 · October 2022

TheOne1 said:

so if my brother were to get pip for his conditions he would get severe disability premium because he is living with his mum who is on a qualifying benefit,

Yes, if his PIP includes the daily living part. Your mum will also be entitled to it, which is paid as part of pension credit but whether there's any entitlement to pension credit will depend on her circumstances.

TheOne1 said:

when he gets re assessed for pip and if loses his entitlement to pip will his ESA stop because the severe disability premium has stoped or will his ESA just get reduced back to The Enhanced disability premium.

No, only the SDP will end because there will be no PIP award. The ESA amount will be what it is now.

TheOne1 · October 2022

"No, only the SDP will end because there will be no PIP award. The ESA amount will be what it is now"

This is what I am confused about. The ESA amount includes the enhanced disability premium by default so if my brother loses his pip entitlement he will lose his severe Disability premium and his enhanced Disability premium so his ESA will be reduced? Or will his ESA just back to the defaulted amount which includes the enhanced Disability premium?

Thank u so much for Ur help

poppy123456 · October 2022

TheOne1 said:

This is what I am confused about. The ESA amount includes the enhanced disability premium by default so if my brother loses his pip entitlement he will lose his severe Disability premium and his enhanced Disability premium

No he will not lose the Enhanced disability premium as advised here.

poppy123456 said:

You are confused by all the disability premiums and the eligibility criteria. The Enhanced disability premium is only paid when claiming Income Related ESA and it's automatically paid if you're in the Support Group. It has nothing to do with any PIP claim.

TheOne1 said:

Or will his ESA just back to the defaulted amount which includes the enhanced Disability premium?

As it is now, which includes the EDP.

TheOne1 · October 2022

poppy123456 said:

TheOne1 said:

This is what I am confused about. The ESA amount includes the enhanced disability premium by default so if my brother loses his pip entitlement he will lose his severe Disability premium and his enhanced Disability premium

No he will not lose the Enhanced disability premium as advised here.

poppy123456 said:

You are confused by all the disability premiums and the eligibility criteria. The Enhanced disability premium is only paid when claiming Income Related ESA and it's automatically paid if you're in the Support Group. It has nothing to do with any PIP claim.

TheOne1 said:

Or will his ESA just back to the defaulted amount which includes the enhanced Disability premium?

As it is now, which includes the EDP.

Thank u so much, I got confused, because I did say if he loses his pip entitlement and he loses his severe disability premium will his ESA just get reduced back to The Enhanced disability premium. You said no, only his SDP will end, which is why I was asking what will happen to his enhanced Disability premium. So if he gets pip and later on is re assessed and he loses it, and loses his severe disability premium his ESA will just revert back to the normal Payment he's getting now with the enhanced Disability premium? So pip will not affect this enhanced Disability premium?

Again thank u so much I am not aware of these benefits and I am seeking as much advice as I can

poppy123456 · October 2022

You misunderstood what "no" was for, you asked if PIP ended would his ESA stop and the no was referring to that.

If a PIP claim ends anytime in the future (if he's awarded successfully) then only the SDP will stop, as i advised a few times.

TheOne1 · October 2022

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/44422/why-has-my-esa-benefit-reduced-after-my-pip-decision-is-suspended

According to this a member named by Whistles stated: if u lose the premium in Ur pip u lose Ur ESA?

Secondly in a previous post of yours u stated this:

"If you live alone and were claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA then this is the likely cause for the ESA being suspended. Have you rang DWP regarding your ESA"

Can this apply to my brother? I know he doesn't live alone but, if he gets severe disability premium because he lives with his mum on a qualifying benefit and he gets re assessed and he loses his pip entitlement the above comment could that apply to my brother?

Thank u

poppy123456 · October 2022

Suspended yes because of the loss of the SDP, which can just suspend the claim. Suspended is completely different to "claiming ending." He will not lose all the ESA and the ESA just be unsuspended and the ESA will continue, which will include the EDP.

I really don't know how else to explain, other than what i've already advised.

TheOne1 · October 2022

poppy123456 said:

Suspended yes because of the loss of the SDP, which can just suspend the claim. Suspended is completely different to "claiming ending." He will not lose all the ESA and the ESA just be unsuspended and the ESA will continue, which will include the EDP.
I really don't know how else to explain, other than what i've already advised.

Am not trying to be rude here, but u never mentioned this before I had to dig this information out which is why I said at the start I have different information here, so his ESA could be suspended so can you please define "suspended"

you said: "I really don't know how else to explain, other than what i've already advised"

Well u never allready advised the section about a ESA being suspended? I had to ask u.

calcotti · October 2022

TheOne1 said:

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/44422/why-has-my-esa-benefit-reduced-after-my-pip-decision-is-suspended

According to this a member named by Whistles stated: if u lose the premium in Ur pip u lose Ur ESA?

Secondly in a previous post of yours u stated this:

"If you live alone and were claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA then this is the likely cause for the ESA being suspended. Have you rang DWP regarding your ESA"

Can this apply to my brother? I know he doesn't live alone but, if he gets severe disability premium because he lives with his mum on a qualifying benefit and he gets re assessed and he loses his pip entitlement the above comment could that apply to my brother?

The ESA can be suspended temporarily while ESA reassess the amount due to be paid because they need a fixed point from which to calculate future payments and work out what arrears may be due.

Does your mother claim Pension Credit?

poppy123456 · October 2022

An ESA claim is not always suspended but it can be, purely because of the SDP ending. If this happens DWP will just unsuspend the claim and it will just continue with the SDP removed. The ESA claim with not end, which is what i've advised a few times.

TheOne1 · October 2022

calcotti said:

TheOne1 said:

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/44422/why-has-my-esa-benefit-reduced-after-my-pip-decision-is-suspended

According to this a member named by Whistles stated: if u lose the premium in Ur pip u lose Ur ESA?

Secondly in a previous post of yours u stated this:

"If you live alone and were claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA then this is the likely cause for the ESA being suspended. Have you rang DWP regarding your ESA"

Can this apply to my brother? I know he doesn't live alone but, if he gets severe disability premium because he lives with his mum on a qualifying benefit and he gets re assessed and he loses his pip entitlement the above comment could that apply to my brother?

The ESA can be suspended temporarily while ESA reassess the amount due to be paid because they need a fixed point from which to calculate future payments and work out what arrears may be due.

Does your mother claim Pension Credit?

Yes, thank u for your reply, she is getting pension credit, is there anything that I need to aware of regarding this?

So suspended by definition according to you means if his pip stops then DWP will temporary not pay him anything until their figure out what he is entitled to or was getting before?

poppy123456 · October 2022

TheOne1 said:

calcotti said:

TheOne1 said:

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/44422/why-has-my-esa-benefit-reduced-after-my-pip-decision-is-suspended

According to this a member named by Whistles stated: if u lose the premium in Ur pip u lose Ur ESA?

Secondly in a previous post of yours u stated this:

"If you live alone and were claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA then this is the likely cause for the ESA being suspended. Have you rang DWP regarding your ESA"

Can this apply to my brother? I know he doesn't live alone but, if he gets severe disability premium because he lives with his mum on a qualifying benefit and he gets re assessed and he loses his pip entitlement the above comment could that apply to my brother?

So suspended by definition according to you means if his pip stops then DWP will temporary not pay him anything until their figure out what he is entitled to or was getting before?

If suspended it's for shorted period while the SDP is removed. Payments may not even stop, if someone from DWP notices the suspension before a payment is due.

If your mum already claims pension credit and no one claims either carers allowance or carers element of Universal Credit for looking after her then her pension credit can include the SDP but she will need to claim it....if your brother is evetually awarded daily living PIP.

calcotti · October 2022

poppy123456 said:..If your mum already claims pension credit and no one claims either carers allowance or carers element of Universal Credit for looking after her then her pension credit can include the SDP but she will need to claim it....if your brother is evetually awarded daily living PIP.

Thanks poppy - that's the reason I asked.
OP, if your brother manages to claim Daily Living PIP there is therefore a potential big rise in both his income and mum's income (If nobody is getting Carer's Allowance or carer element of UC for looking after her). This is based on my understanding that it is just the two of them living together.

TheOne1 · October 2022

poppy123456 said:

TheOne1 said:

calcotti said:

TheOne1 said:

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/44422/why-has-my-esa-benefit-reduced-after-my-pip-decision-is-suspended

According to this a member named by Whistles stated: if u lose the premium in Ur pip u lose Ur ESA?

Secondly in a previous post of yours u stated this:

"If you live alone and were claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA then this is the likely cause for the ESA being suspended. Have you rang DWP regarding your ESA"

Can this apply to my brother? I know he doesn't live alone but, if he gets severe disability premium because he lives with his mum on a qualifying benefit and he gets re assessed and he loses his pip entitlement the above comment could that apply to my brother?

So suspended by definition according to you means if his pip stops then DWP will temporary not pay him anything until their figure out what he is entitled to or was getting before?

If suspended it's for shorted period while the SDP is removed. Payments may not even stop, if someone from DWP notices the suspension before a payment is due.
If your mum already claims pension credit and no one claims either carers allowance or carers element of Universal Credit for looking after her then her pension credit can include the SDP but she will need to claim it....if your brother is evetually awarded daily living PIP.

I am not aware of these benefits which is what confusing me, I really do appreciate your help again I am but trying to be rude I just have no clue what I am doing or how it can affect ones benefits thank u

TheOne1 · October 2022

calcotti said:

poppy123456 said:..If your mum already claims pension credit and no one claims either carers allowance or carers element of Universal Credit for looking after her then her pension credit can include the SDP but she will need to claim it....if your brother is evetually awarded daily living PIP.

Thanks poppy - that's the reason I asked.
OP, if your brother manages to claim Daily Living PIP there is therefore a potential big rise in both his income and mum's income (If nobody is getting Carer's Allowance or carer element of UC for looking after her). This is based on my understanding that it is just the two of them living together.

I wasn't aware of this, so what happens when my brother gets re assessed and if he loses his pip entitlement?, will my mum's pension credit stop? Or will it just be reduced back to the amount she is getting? She is only getting pension credit due to her entitlement to her pip

TheOne1 · October 2022

calcotti said:

poppy123456 said:..If your mum already claims pension credit and no one claims either carers allowance or carers element of Universal Credit for looking after her then her pension credit can include the SDP but she will need to claim it....if your brother is evetually awarded daily living PIP.

Thanks poppy - that's the reason I asked.
OP, if your brother manages to claim Daily Living PIP there is therefore a potential big rise in both his income and mum's income (If nobody is getting Carer's Allowance or carer element of UC for looking after her). This is based on my understanding that it is just the two of them living together.

My mum is not getting uc she's a pensioner and my brother is on ESA and in the support group again I really appreciate your time and replies I genuinely have no clue what to do which is why I am seeking advice and I just got confused on the different replies on this forum, like I mentioned I posted a URL here with a reply from a member by the name of whistles said if u lose any form of disability premium from pip u lose Ur ESA which is why am confused on the different replies. As for my brother I am confident he can get pip but the re assessments is what I am concerned about.

poppy123456 · October 2022

I did advise regarding pension credit for your mum earlier on in the thread. If she already claims Pension credit, then it won't end completely, the SDP will just be removed, like it would be with the ESA.

TheOne1 said:

My mum is not getting uc she's a pensioner and my brother is on ESA and in the support group

No one said your mum is claiming UC. What we said was if anyone is claiming carers element of UC for looking after her or carers allowance then she won't be able to claim SDP with her pension credit.

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