Help regarding pip

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  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    calcotti said:
    Poppy and I are still concerned that mum may be receiving PC incorrectly.

    If your mum is getting SDP correctly it would not be affected by you claiming CA for looking after your brother.
    My mum is only person on the tenancy we just live as none dependents 
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    edited October 2022
    calcotti said:
    Poppy and I are still concerned that mum may be receiving PC incorrectly.

    If your mum is getting SDP correctly it would not be affected by you claiming CA for looking after your brother.
    My mum is only person on the tenancy we just live as none dependents my dad has passed away years ago, my mum is living as a single parent and we are just living as none dependents 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    TheOne1 said:
    calcotti said:
    Poppy and I are still concerned that mum may be receiving PC incorrectly.

    If your mum is getting SDP correctly it would not be affected by you claiming CA for looking after your brother.
    My mum is only person on the tenancy we just live as none dependents 

    TheOne1 said:
    I don't understand this, it says online if u claim Carers for someone it can affect there benefits in what sense does carers affect esa. This is what I am literally asking, if I became my brothers carer will it affect his ESA if so how? U said no but here:

    "Does Claiming Carer's Allowance Affect ESA? Yes, your carer's allowance can affect any other benefits you receive including Employment Support Allowance"

    I am so confused right now, can someone give me a definitive answer to my question. So if I claim carers will it affect my brothers ESA if so then how? And will it affect my mum's pension credit or SDP? If I became carer for my brother

    Thank u so much I just don't know anymore am really confused :/
    We are going round and round in circles. As already advised if you received CA for looking after your brother that would prevent him getting an SDP in his ESA award if he is awarded Daily Living PIP

    At the moment he doesn’t get PIP and doesn’t get SDP in his ESA so claiming CA will not affect his ESA.

    It also makes no difference to mum’s benefits.

    Please note the advice previously given that you cannot claim CA if you work and earn more than £132/week.

    Are you working or claiming benefits yourself? Sorry if this is covered already but I’m losing track of this thread because of the length.

    However we haven’t yet established that anybody is entitled to SDP.

    https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/severe-disability-premium

    People who claim Disability Living Allowance, Personal Independence Payment or Attendance Allowance can qualify for an extra allowance when some benefits are calculated, this is called a 'severe disability premium'.  The benefits that can include the 'severe disability premium' are Income Support, Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA), Employment and Support Allowance (ESA), Housing Benefit and Pension Credit.

    If you are single the severe disability premiumis included in your award if:

    • you receive a qualifying disability benefit (Attendance Allowance, constant Attendance Allowance, the care component of Disability Living Allowance at the middle or highest rate or Personal Independence Payment daily living component at standard or enhanced rate); and
    • no-one gets paid Carer's Allowance (CA) or the carer element of Universal Credit for looking after you (if your carer is eligible for CA but does not receive a payment due to overlapping benefit rules then they do not count); and
    • you have no non-dependant adults living with you (unless they are also receiving a qualifying disability benefit or are registered blind)
    • Your mother appears not to meet the requirements of the last bullet point and is therefore not entitled to SDP.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    calcotti said:
    TheOne1 said:
    I don't understand this, it says online if u claim Carers for someone it can affect there benefits in what sense does carers affect esa. This is what I am literally asking, if I became my brothers carer will it affect his ESA if so how? U said no but here:

    "Does Claiming Carer's Allowance Affect ESA? Yes, your carer's allowance can affect any other benefits you receive including Employment Support Allowance"

    I am so confused right now, can someone give me a definitive answer to my question. So if I claim carers will it affect my brothers ESA if so then how? And will it affect my mum's pension credit or SDP? If I became carer for my brother

    Thank u so much I just don't know anymore am really confused :/
    We are going round and round in circles. As already advised if you received CA for looking after your brother that would prevent him getting an SDP in his ESA award if he is awarded Daily Living PIP

    However we haven’t yet established that anybody is entitled to SDP.

    At the moment he doesn’t get PIP and doesn’t get SDP in his ESA so claiming CA will not affect his ESA.

    It also makes no difference to mum’s benefits.

    Please note the advice previously given that you cannot claim CA if you work and earn more than £132/week.
    Poppy said: "When your mum's SDP ends this won't affect your brother"

    What did she mean by when it stops? So will it stop because i will claim for Carers for brother or does it mean something else? 

    Thank u so much for the help you have given
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    TheOne1 said:
    Poppy said: "When your mum's SDP ends this won't affect your brother"

    What did she mean by when it stops? So will it stop because i will claim for Carers for brother or does it mean something else? 
    Poppy was referring to the fact it appears your mum’s SDP should stop because she appears not to be entitled.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    edited October 2022
    calcotti said:
    TheOne1 said:
    Poppy said: "When your mum's SDP ends this won't affect your brother"

    What did she mean by when it stops? So will it stop because i will claim for Carers for brother or does it mean something else? 
    Poppy was referring to the fact it appears your mum’s SDP should stop because she appears not to be entitled.
    My mum is getting pip and pension so does that not give her entitlement to SDP? Even though it shows on her entitlement we both live in her home and the entitlement shows as pension credit and gurunteed credit, as mentioned when I applied for pension credit my mum was originally refused but when my mum applied for pip and she awarded it she then re applied for pension credit was given Pension Credit as explained 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    TheOne1 said:I
    calcotti said:
    TheOne1 said:
    Poppy said: "When your mum's SDP ends this won't affect your brother"

    What did she mean by when it stops? So will it stop because i will claim for Carers for brother or does it mean something else? 
    Poppy was referring to the fact it appears your mum’s SDP should stop because she appears not to be entitled.
    My mum is getting pip and pension so does that not give her entitlement to SDP? Even though it shows on her entitlement we both live in her home and the entitlement shows as pension credit and gurunteed credit, as mentioned when I applied for pension credit my mum was originally refused but when my mum applied for pip she was given Pension Credit as explained 
    We keep restating the same information. Based on what you have posted, as per my last reply, your mum appears not to meet the requirements of the last bullet point which is a necessary condition of entitlement to SDP. 

    Based on what you have said she lives with two adult non-dependants neither of who get a disability benefit,
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    calcotti said:
    TheOne1 said:I
    calcotti said:
    TheOne1 said:
    Poppy said: "When your mum's SDP ends this won't affect your brother"

    What did she mean by when it stops? So will it stop because i will claim for Carers for brother or does it mean something else? 
    Poppy was referring to the fact it appears your mum’s SDP should stop because she appears not to be entitled.
    My mum is getting pip and pension so does that not give her entitlement to SDP? Even though it shows on her entitlement we both live in her home and the entitlement shows as pension credit and gurunteed credit, as mentioned when I applied for pension credit my mum was originally refused but when my mum applied for pip she was given Pension Credit as explained 
    We keep restating the same information. Based on what you have posted, as per my last reply, your mum appears not to meet the requirements of the last bullet point which is a necessary condition of entitlement to SDP. 

    Based on what you have said she lives with two adult non-dependants neither of who get a disability benefit,
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pension-credit-toolkit/pension-credit-and-help-for-disabled-people#:~:text=more about AFIP .-,Extra Pension Credit for severely disabled people or carers,Pension Credit of £38.85.

    If u look at this page it's the gov.uk website which states the following:

    "If someone has a disability and applies for Pension Credit, they may be entitled to extra money and may need to know who to contact.


     Extra Pension Credit for severely disabled people or carers
    If someone gets Attendance Allowance or the middle or highest rate care component of DLA, PIP or AFIP, they may be entitled to extra Pension Credit of £****.40"

    So it does seem my mum is getting pension credit SDP correctly 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    The bit you have quoted says MAY be entitled. The entitlement depends on other conditions as detailed on the entitledto page.

    Here is the full detailed guidance
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1099489/dmgch78.pdf
    Key paragraphs that are relevant are 78034, 78065, 78077, 78078. 


  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    calcotti said:
    The bit you have quoted says MAY be entitled. The entitlement depends on other conditions as detailed on the entitledto page.
    The gov.uk page does mention any other benefits, the gov.uk states if the person is getting high or middle rate pip they can get EXTRA PENSION CREDIT which is what my mum gets and which is what the two DWP people told me. So I don't think my mum is getting a wrong entitlement 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    The page says MAY get - that doesn’t mean WILL get. They have to meet all the conditions.

    You asked for advice. Poppy and I have offered it to the best of our ability and have explained why we think what we do. It is up to you what you do with the advice.


  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    edited October 2022
    We have continued to go round and round in circles over about 3 pages on the thread. Your mum isn't entitled to SDP based on the information you have given.
    The Gov.UK mentions other benefits because you also need to be claiming a qualifying disability benefit. Because you and your brother do no claim any disability benefits then she's not entitled to SDP.
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    poppy123456 said:
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
    But, going by the amount, it does look likely that SDP is being paid - but without getting a breakdown of the PC calculation it isn’t possible to be certain.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    edited October 2022
    calcotti said:
    poppy123456 said:
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
    But, going by the amount, it does look likely that SDP is being paid - but without getting a breakdown of the PC calculation it isn’t possible to be certain.

    Yes, indeed. I was referring to this comment here.
    TheOne1 said:
    The gov.uk page does mention any other benefits, the gov.uk states if the person is getting high or middle rate pip they can get EXTRA PENSION CREDIT which is what my mum gets and which is what the two DWP people told me. So I don't think my mum is getting a wrong entitlement 


  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    calcotti said:
    poppy123456 said:
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
    but without getting a breakdown of the PC calculation it isn’t possible to be certain.

    Agree with that. @TheOne1 can you give us a breakdown of the pension credit calculation? On the letter it should tell you what exactly is included. If you post a picture of the letter please make sure you remove all her personal details such as name, NI number, address etc etc.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    poppy123456 said:
    Agree with that. @TheOne1 can you give us a breakdown of the pension credit calculation? 
    Unfortunately Ithink PC letters don’t always show a calculation.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Here u go:
    This is the letter, thank u so much

    I made a mistake the amount it is 67.47 a week 

  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    calcotti said:
    poppy123456 said:
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
    but without getting a breakdown of the PC calculation it isn’t possible to be certain.

    Agree with that. @TheOne1 can you give us a breakdown of the pension credit calculation? On the letter it should tell you what exactly is included. If you post a picture of the letter please make sure you remove all her personal details such as name, NI number, address etc etc.
    So what do I do? Do I need to call DWP?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    TheOne1 said:
    poppy123456 said:
    calcotti said:
    poppy123456 said:
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
    but without getting a breakdown of the PC calculation it isn’t possible to be certain.

    Agree with that. @TheOne1 can you give us a breakdown of the pension credit calculation? On the letter it should tell you what exactly is included. If you post a picture of the letter please make sure you remove all her personal details such as name, NI number, address etc etc.
    So what do I do? Do I need to call DWP?

    Your mum will need to contact pension credit.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    As I suspected, the letter doesn’t give any breakdown.

    You can call with mum. She can then authorise you to speak to them on her behalf.

    Ask for a breakdown of how the PC amount is arrived at. If they again say that SDP is part of the calculation go through the living arrangements with them and ask them to confirm that the SDP is correct.

    Even if they then conclude a mistake has been made, provided all the details were previously supplied by you/her and it is their mistake that would count as official error and they should not seek to recover any overpayment that has occurred.

    Unfortunately Pension Credit seem to be in meltdown at the moment and getting to speak to anyone may be difficult. Keep some notes of any conversations you have.

    What’s the significance of 12th July 2022?



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