Help regarding pip

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  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    TheOne1 said:
    poppy123456 said:
    calcotti said:
    poppy123456 said:
    Pension credit have incorrectly advised you. Remember when ringing pension credit or any other DWP department you are speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP itself. They have very little benefits knowledge.
    but without getting a breakdown of the PC calculation it isn’t possible to be certain.

    Agree with that. @TheOne1 can you give us a breakdown of the pension credit calculation? On the letter it should tell you what exactly is included. If you post a picture of the letter please make sure you remove all her personal details such as name, NI number, address etc etc.
    So what do I do? Do I need to call DWP?

    Your mum will need to contact pension credit.
    I don't understand it says on the DWP site the following:


    If you have a severe disability
    You could get an extra £****.40 a week if you get any of the following:

    Attendance Allowance
    the middle or highest rate from the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
    the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment (PIP)
    Armed Forces Independence Payment
    the daily living component of Adult Disability Payment (ADP) at the standard or enhanced rate

    My mum gets pip it does not mention anything about any other people or other benefits. They would have been clear regarding this otherwise. Are u sure u are correct regarding this?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    edited October 2022
    We have been through this several times. Both calcotti and myself are correct with the advice we've given you.
    Yes, your mum claims daily living PIP but you and your brother do not, for this reason she doesn't qualify for SDP.
    which was were you got that comment from above, you missed out the part that states...
    If you are single the severe disability premium is included in your award if:

    • you have no non dependant adults living with you (unless they are also receiving a qualifying disability benefit or are registered blind)






  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    On the Gov.uk site it also says..

    You usually cannot have anyone aged 18 or over living with you, unless they’re in one of these situations:

    • they get a qualifying benefit
    • they’re registered blind
    • they’re a boarder or subtenant (but not a close relative)
    • they make separate payments to the landlord
    This situation doesn't apply to you so your mum doesn't qualify for SDP. There's nothing more to advise other than what's already been said.


  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    TheOne1 said:I don't understand it says on the DWP site the following:


    If you have a severe disability
    You could get an extra £****.40 a week if you get any of the following:

    Attendance Allowance
    the middle or highest rate from the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
    the daily living component of Personal Independence Payment (PIP)
    Armed Forces Independence Payment
    the daily living component of Adult Disability Payment (ADP) at the standard or enhanced rate

    My mum gets pip it does not mention anything about any other people or other benefits. They would have been clear regarding this otherwise. Are u sure u are correct regarding this?
    Discussed already. It says You COULD get an extra £****.40 a week. That is not the same is WILL get extra. You are misinterpreting the information.

    (When you quote information it is helpful to provide a link so that others can read the context. I don't know what page you are quoting.)

    You have to satisfy all of the conditions. These have been referenced in the entitled information you found yourself and the Decision makers Guide detailed I information I gave links to.

    The public facing websites are, of necessity, simplified and do not include all of the rules.

    Here's another gov.uk page
    https://www.gov.uk/disability-premiums/eligibility
    Severe disability premium
    You must get the disability premium or income-related ESA, and one of the following qualifying benefits:
    • PIP daily living component
    • AFIP
    • DLA care component at the middle or highest rate
    • Adult Disability Payment - daily living component at the standard or enhanced rate
    • Attendance Allowance (or Constant Attendance Allowance paid with Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit or War Pension)
    You usually cannot have anyone aged 18 or over living with you, unless they’re in one of these situations:
    • they get a qualifying benefit
    • they’re registered blind
    • they’re a boarder or subtenant (but not a close relative)
    • they make separate payments to the landlord
    You cannot get the severe disability premium if someone is getting Carer’s Allowance or the carers element of Universal Credit for looking after you.

    I'm now out of this thread because we are going round and round in circles. I am not always correct, and am happy to be corrected, but I have provided information supporting what has been said. It is up to you what you do with the information provided, it appears you do not wish to take our advice so I am not going to carry on repeating myself. 
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    calcotti said:
    As I suspected, the letter doesn’t give any breakdown.

    You can call with mum. She can then authorise you to speak to them on her behalf.

    Ask for a breakdown of how the PC amount is arrived at. If they again say that SDP is part of the calculation go through the living arrangements with them and ask them to confirm that the SDP is correct.

    Even if they then conclude a mistake has been made, provided all the details were previously supplied by you/her and it is their mistake that would count as official error and they should not seek to recover any overpayment that has occurred.

    Unfortunately Pension Credit seem to be in meltdown at the moment and getting to speak to anyone may be difficult. Keep some notes of any conversations you have.

    What’s the significance of 12th July 2022?



    The 12th is my mum's birthday it was when her pension was granted, she became pension age.

  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    The 12th is day she became pension age.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    The 12th is the day my mum became pension age.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    TheOne1 said:
    The 12th is the day my mum became pension age.
    That's clear.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    calcotti said:
    As I suspected, the letter doesn’t give any breakdown.

    You can call with mum. She can then authorise you to speak to them on her behalf.

    Ask for a breakdown of how the PC amount is arrived at. If they again say that SDP is part of the calculation go through the living arrangements with them and ask them to confirm that the SDP is correct.

    Even if they then conclude a mistake has been made, provided all the details were previously supplied by you/her and it is their mistake that would count as official error and they should not seek to recover any overpayment that has occurred.

    Unfortunately Pension Credit seem to be in meltdown at the moment and getting to speak to anyone may be difficult. Keep some notes of any conversations you have.

    What’s the significance of 12th July 2022?



    I have a question, my brother is eligible for pip the doctors and adult learning care have stated his position and his conditions make him eligible and with our help he has a extremely high chance of getting pip. So when my brother gets pip that would in return make my mum fit the conditions for her Pension Credit since my brother is getting the qualifying benefit. If that's the case and I apply for carers for my brother will that have any affect to my mum's SDP/Pension Credit or will it even stop? since my brother has some relation to my mum getting pension credit?

    Thank u so much I really do appreciate this, I am waiting for the pension credit people to answer being waiting on phone for 40 mins.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    TheOne1 said: So when my brother gets pip that would in return make my mum fit the conditions for her Pension Credit since my brother is getting the qualifying benefit. 
    No it doesn't because you said you also live in the house so unless you also get a disability benefit the conditions are still not met.

    TheOne1 said:If that's the case and I apply for carers for my brother will that have any affect to my mum's SDP/Pension Credit or will it even stop? 
    As repeatedly advised in this now very long thread, if your mum was getting SDP then claiming CA for looking after your brother would make no difference to your mum's entitlement.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    edited October 2022
    calcotti said:
    TheOne1 said: So when my brother gets pip that would in return make my mum fit the conditions for her Pension Credit since my brother is getting the qualifying benefit. 
    No it doesn't because you said you also live in the house so unless you also get a disability benefit the conditions are still not met.

    TheOne1 said:If that's the case and I apply for carers for my brother will that have any affect to my mum's SDP/Pension Credit or will it even stop? 
    As repeatedly advised in this now very long thread, if your mum was getting SDP then claiming CA for looking after your brother would make no difference to your mum's entitlement.
    I don't get any benefits I work, I am going to have to stop work because my mum has extreme difficulty walking and I need to take her places and my brother has different mental health issues such are severe learning difficulties, he finds it extremely hard to understand basic instructions, and even finds it hard to learn how to use a microwave or even operate a phone. My mum has been looking after him and now she's struggling so I will have to stop working and claim Universal credit and become his carer. I do have the appropriate people in place to give me additional help such as physcritist, adult learning care also I have adopted the home for my mum to have a bath and use the toilet such as handles. 

    Thank u so much for the help I am still waiting on the phone for them to answer it's been over a hour :(
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    edited October 2022
    A update: after speaking to someone at DWP they said the same thing as both of u stated, they said they made a mistake. The guy stated it shows on the system me and my brother live under one roof with our mum, and he further adds the mistake that was made is both of us are not getting the qualifying benefit, he also said it shows on my mums form I have accurately identified mine and my brothers income, he said the form was filled in honestly by myself, but the mistake was made by them at there ends and it's not mine or my mums fault

    Edit: the guy said they will re look at mum's pension credit application if she's entitled to anything it will be stated, otherwise it will be stopped and no problems will occur at our ends. 


    Again thank u so much for the help.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    That is as both Calcotti and myself thought. If it’s their fault then it should be an official error and your mum will not need to repay any money she’s received. 
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    poppy123456 said:
    That is as both Calcotti and myself thought. If it’s their fault then it should be an official error and your mum will not need to repay any money she’s received. 

    Thank u so much
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    edited October 2022
    Additional information. If you are going to claim Universal Credit for caring for either your brother or mother you don't actually need to claim Carer's Allowance. When you claim UC you simply declare that you are a carer and you would qualify for the carer element. You can claim CA as well but the CA will be deducted from the UC, however it could still be worth claiming CA because you get Class 1 NI credits from CA whereas you only get Class 3 from UC.

    Note that you cannot claim UC if you have more than £16,000 of capital.

    If you are planning to do this in the short term you cannot get money for caring for your brother because he doesn't get PIP but you could declare yourself a carer for your mother.

    Based on your mum's current circumstances she is not going to be entitled to Pension Credit which means that she will not automatically be entitled to Housing Benefit and Council Tax Reduction. The council will have to recalculate her entitlement based on her finances. 

    If your brother were to successfully claim PIP it would be sensible for you to continue to claim CA or the carer element of UC for looking after mum. Mum could then claim CA for looking after your brother (if she is able to). She would not be paid CA because she gets her State Pension but she would establish an 'underlying entitlement' to CA. This would result in the addition of a carer premium to the Pension Credit calculation and she would then automatically qualify for some PC.

    Whilst I appreciate the difficult situation you are in before you make a definite decision to stop work I suggest you use a benefits calculator to assess what you might get so that you are clear about whether or not the three of you can manage financially if your income is reduced.
  • TheOne1
    TheOne1 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Thank u so much for your reply, my mum is very elderly and she is struggling to cope looking after my brother, I will need to stop working, as for money I will struggle due to what I was actually earning compared to what I will actually get, I am going to accept this as a hardship and just get along with what is best for my family, I believe it is the right call. I really appreciate the help and support this forum has provided. Thank u so much
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,000 Championing
    Good luck - it's obviously a very difficult situation.

    To be clear too - given that your mum is not entitled to SDP in a PC award, if you claim CA for looking after her it will make no difference to her benefits.

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