school curriculum to teach boys how to respect women

Sandy_123
Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
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From a debate from the  jeremy vine show, this is the new proposal,  be intresting on your thoughts

school curriculum to teach boys how to respect women 11 votes

Should be taught at home by parents
63%
tomm[Deleted User]Luna51Sandy_123Steve_in_The_City[Deleted User]Wilshyboy 7 votes
Should be both genders
36%
66MustangGrinchydaresbury1978WelshBlue 4 votes
Should be curriculum for boys
0%
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  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Scope Member Posts: 1,810 Championing
             All children should be taught to respect everyone. It starts and finishes with parents.
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    edited April 2023
    Should be taught at home by parents
    I agree with parenting 1st, the debate this morning was that some parents are not teaching it. I do it with my grandchildren. 
  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Scope Member Posts: 1,810 Championing
     Many years ago my son decided to disrespect his then girlfriend... I ripped him to pieces in front of all his friends and made sure whoever else was listening I wasn't happy. To this day he doesn't know why he did it because he knew it was wrong but he never did it again. His then girlfriend is now his wife and mother to my 2 beautiful grandchildren so he must have grovelled to her and learnt his lesson. 
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,216 Championing
    Everyone should be taught to respect everyone else.  If the parents don't respect everyone else, they're not going to teach that to their kids.  So I'd say some school input would be a good idea as well.
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    Should be taught at home by parents
    @vikingqueen that's nice to read that they got married with children 
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    edited April 2023
    Should be taught at home by parents
    @OverlyAnxious yes everyone should be taught it 
    Its difficult really, if parents have no intentions of teaching it then maybe, like you say schools should teach on it
  • daresbury1978
    daresbury1978 Online Community Member Posts: 47 Contributor
    Should be both genders
    How the wider society operates should offer clear messages about respect for women. Sadly, there is still a confusion about messages - some good but far too many inadequate. 
  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Online Community Member Posts: 770 Championing
    Should be both genders
    Having kids who have worked as a Paramedic and a Teacher ... both genders, need lessons

    Respect in general seems to be lacking in some.  My daughter the Paramedic gets more verbal and physical abuse from young women/ girls, my son the ex-Teacher got more abuse from young boys  

    Some parents bring their kids up, some drag their kids up ... some will have kids with respect, some will be lil' bar stewards ... it doesn't always follow the one's 'bringing' their kids up will have the respectful ones?

    Interesting topic.  Not sure what the best way forward is
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    Should be taught at home by parents
    I personally think there is a lot of disrespect in general. 
  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Online Community Member Posts: 770 Championing
    Should be both genders
    Sandy_123 said:
    I personally think there is a lot of disrespect in general. 
    Agreed.  Across all ages.  I always hold doors open - usually the younger generation always say thanks. 50% of older don't. The olders look at me like I'm going to mug them.  o:)
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    edited April 2023
    Should be taught at home by parents
    I find it the other way round, was pushing my grandaughter in the pram and was a narrow bit, the younger guys didn't stop, but an older guy did and said cmon love. Lol
    I always say thanks if someone holds the door etc
  • 66Mustang
    66Mustang Online Community Member Posts: 14,991 Championing
    Should be both genders
    Nice to see Mysandry is alive and well.

    I don't support Mysogny or Mysandry.

    But I also don't support the argument that all women are perfect and all men are evil.

    I know a male who is a victim of abuse by his girlfriend. This is just as serious as a man abusing a woman. Yet many would just laugh at him.
  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Online Community Member Posts: 770 Championing
    Should be both genders
    66Mustang said:

    I know a male who is a victim of abuse by his girlfriend. This is just as serious as a man abusing a woman. Yet many would just laugh at him.
    The one patient who has stuck in my daughters mind from her training in Liverpool was being called out to a male domestic abuse victim ... he knew she would end up really hurting him or worse, but couldn't bring himself to leave her.  Broke my heart when she told me she held him and they both sobbed together. Tragic

    I try to treat others as I like to be treated ... disrespect me once, no second chance.  Treat me well and I'd give you the shirt off my back

    There's good and bad in society - young, middle, old/ male, female, other genders and from all walks of life.  At the age of 56 I still can't decide if respect stems from nature or nurture.  Whether some of us just have it, as common decency

    As for schools teaching it ... may be hard when some of the parents have zero respect for the teachers, let alone the kids ?
  • daresbury1978
    daresbury1978 Online Community Member Posts: 47 Contributor
    Should be both genders
    I am sure that abuse can be directed towards both males and females by their partners though I think that the statistics suggest that it is women who are most likely to be abused by their male partners or other males. None of us is perfect of course. I think we must avoid seeing respect as deserved on narrow "moral" grounds i.e. that only the perfectly behaved deserve respect.
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    Should be taught at home by parents
    In an ideal world it should be, I would of thought anyway
  • WelshBlue
    WelshBlue Online Community Member Posts: 770 Championing
    edited April 2023
    Should be both genders
    Sandy_123 said:
    In an ideal world it should be
    Ideally.  Sadly too many parents are not setting boundaries ?  Finding it funny to see their kids swearing etc in social settings 

    I live in a small town of 2,500 people and see it getting worse.  Parents kicking off if someone approaches them about their child's behaviour.  Bullying.  Assaults.  The police being next to useless, actively trying to get people not to press charges because a child will have a record

    It's illegal to smack a child, but a slap on the hand never hurt mine.  I couldn't wish for more well adjusted, kind kids.  Both take the time to give a meal and sit with homeless people just for a chat as an example


  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 63,012 Championing
    Should be taught at home by parents
    Yes my kids are the same @WelshBlue my daughter cycled 53 miles to Brighton for homeless charity few years ago. 
  • daresbury1978
    daresbury1978 Online Community Member Posts: 47 Contributor
    Should be both genders
    Since the 1960s our society has learned to adopt and express more liberal values leading to what today is referred to (negatively?) as a "woke" culture. The risk with being more liberal from a values perspective is that it might  lead to a collapse of moral discipline at individual, family and wider social levels. However, I am an optimist. Liberal values have led to a great deal of social benefit (including for the disabled) and we need to hold on tight to those gains and think positively or they will be slowly undermined.
  • Cher_Alumni
    Cher_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,714 Championing
    @66Mustang I'm sorry you know someone who is being abused by their girlfriend, are you able to talk to them and perhaps signpost them to one of the male specific support organisations such as Mankind? Please let us know if we could help in any way. Abuse is abuse irrespective of gender, and I hope he can get to a better place soon.

    There's lots of thoughtful comments on this thread! I agree @daresbury1978 - your comment reminded me of Durkheim's anomie (you may be well versed with this!). Where the breakdown of old industries and social communities has led to the disintegration of social values and norms. As I'm bringing up my boy, I'm reminded of the phrase 'it takes a village to raise a child' and although I feel the onus is definitely on me and my husband to instill respect and moral values, the wider messaging from interactions he has in the community and broader society can work to reinforce this or undo it! 
  • Wilshyboy
    Wilshyboy Online Community Member Posts: 259 Empowering
    Should be taught at home by parents
    I was taught by my Mum&Dad 3 basics, 1 respect your elders, 2 respect the female sex, 3 always say Please and Thank You, I'm 65 now and hopefully still do all of these, as they used to say good manners and civility cost nothing.

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