Hi, my name is Nay777! Could anyone tell me how soon I could expect to hear back from DWP?

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    river123 said:
    Hi @poppy123456 No I didn’t get any expert advise other than my nurse talking to me about going in for pip.. my symptoms have changed and doing my day to day activities have changed for the worse. I mainly was trying for mobility as having a major operation recently has made my mobility go down hence why I done a change in circumstances form.. I’m beginning to regret applying again now as I feel I may loose my current award by going of my assessment report. do you no if it’s been known for people to loose there current award after a change in circumstances? Thanks in advance

    Yes, it's been known many many times for people to lose their whole award when reporting changes. You mention a recent surgery making your mobility worse. Are you aware also that when reporting changes you must also expect those difficulties to last at least a further 9 months.
  • meenabudd
    meenabudd Online Community Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Hi
    really sorry for what your going through, it’s horrible and iv been through it too. I would say ask for a MR and highlight that your condition has gotten worse compared to when you first applied. To be honest I think they do this tactically so people just get put off and don’t bother with the claim. Believe in yourself and don’t let them tell you otherwise that your not entitled to it, obviously having any health condition is difficult to deal with and it’s not fair that we’re the ones who suffer and get penalised for it too!… At the end of the day we’re just a statistic/number to dwp. It’s up to you to push forward and stand up for yourself to what’s your right! Only you know how much you’re suffering due to poor health, if you didn’t think you were entitled to more/higher then you wouldn’t have told them about the worsening of your condition. Be strong and have faith!… sorry for the rant!… it’s sooo frustrating to read/hear that sooo many of us are suffering and they just don’t make it any easier for us, I know they’re just doing their job, but a little empathy sometimes can’t be that difficult!….Praying and  Hope all goes well for you xx 🙃
  • meenabudd
    meenabudd Online Community Member Posts: 9 Listener
    edited August 2023
    @river123 @Nay777
    sorry forgot to tag you!… got too carried away!..😩
  • river123
    river123 Online Community Member Posts: 108 Contributor
    Just an update, I have rang pip today to see if there has been a decision yet and I was advised my claim has been assigned to a decision maker 4 days ago. I’m hoping in the next couple of weeks I may get my decision.. 🤞 
  • nasturtium
    nasturtium Online Community Member Posts: 390 Empowering
    edited August 2023
    Hello river123
    river123 said:
    I done a change in circumstances form an I had my assessment last Sunday I have just received my report as requested it the day after my assessment and by looking at the descriptors on what my assessor has scored me on I won’t be getting an award and I will be loosing my original award! I am not happy about this one bit as from what she’s wrote in there just isn’t the case. Do any of you know if the decision makers could go agains the assessor? I have scored 6 on daily living and 4 on mobility.. I was already receiving standard on daily living and my award was currently untill 2028 but looks like I’m going to loose it now. 
    If this is a PIP Review or change in circumstances and the DWP have removed the award or have reduced the award for the Claimant then they have to outline in detail how the Claimant has improved to allow them to complete both daily living and mobility activities in according to Regulation 4 of the Social Security Personal Independence Payment Regulations 2013 Safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard. https://pipinfo.net/issues/reliably
    My advice would be to write a detailed MR Letter outlining all of the Claimants problems with the PIP activities and explain that the Claimants condition or restrictions have not changed since last award.
    I would also request the DWP to give detailed reasoning on why they think the Claimant has improved and is able to complete the 12 PIP activities that are applicable to the Claimant reliably under Regulation 4 of the Social Security Personal Independence Payment Regulations 2013 and what evidence they have to show the claimant has improved.
    I Personally would include the following Paragraph from Case Law CPIP/2621/2016 in your MR Letter.
    “it was not enough simply to assume that the appearance of a new PIP assessment report provided an automatic ground for supersession of the original awarding decision under regulation 26(1) of the Universal Credit, Personal Independence Payment, Jobseeker’s Allowance and Employment Support Allowance (Decisions and Appeals) Regulations 2013 (SI 2013/381; “the D & A Regulations”). It could not simply be assumed that the second PIP assessment report in some way trumped the first PIP assessment report e.g. by virtue of being more recent. The Appellant as a matter of justice was entitled to an explanation as to why his award had been terminated ahead of time – see R(M) 1/96 and SF v Secretary of State for Work and Pensions (PIP) [2016] UKUT 481 (AAC) at paragraph 21.”
    Here is a link to the case law you can print off and include with your detailed MR Letter https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/597af22840f0b61e4b000006/CPIP_2621_2016_corrected.pdf
    Please make sure you put the Claimants National Insurance Number and Name on every piece of paper at the top.
    If they do not reinstate the award after MR then take it to tribunal where you will stand a much better chance of the award being reinstated.
    Hope that helps
    Nasturtium

  • river123
    river123 Online Community Member Posts: 108 Contributor
    @nasturtium thank you that is a huge help. I haven’t actually had my decision just yet but I’ve had my assessment report back and counted the points given witch would be nil award, I am currently receiving standard daily living at the miniute but my circumstances changed for the worse as that’s why I went in for a change in circumstances but going off my report it seems they’d take my award off me.. witch I pray that they don’t.. thanks for the help ❤️
  • Nay777
    Nay777 Online Community Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Please are you able to give any advice on how to word my MR letter for PIP.

    I'm claiming for my dyslexia because it's affecting my daily activities such as cooking (I cannot cook without cutting myself or burning myself or adding too much salt or undercooking things) I've been eating noodles and getting take away. I said these things on the phone but still scored zero so when writing this MR letter I've no idea what else to put! Or how else to describe my difficulties.

    I cannot plan a journey by myself neither can I go somewhere new without help. The questions that they'd asked have somehow led me to scoring zero here so again, don't know how to put it in a way that screams I need help. Late for work EVERY day due to forgetting things including door keys, bank card, work pass, been fired for lateness in the past said this too

    I also am very bad with my finances, haven't been able to budget. Said this, scored zero
  • nasturtium
    nasturtium Online Community Member Posts: 390 Empowering
    edited August 2023
    Hello Nay777
    You need to assossiate your Dyslexia with the problems you have completing the 12 PIP activities that apply to you Relaibly (safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard) https://www.mypipassessment.co.uk/updates/what-are-the-reliability-criteria-that-are-used-during-the-pip-consultation/ You also need to exlain in detail the help you need according to the PIP descriptors and why you need that help.
    Nay777 said:
    I'm claiming for my dyslexia because it's affecting my daily activities such as cooking (I cannot cook without cutting myself or burning myself or adding too much salt or undercooking things)
    So lets look at preparing a simple meal. https://pipinfo.net/activities/preparing-food and https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/3-prepare-and-cook-meal/
    You said you cannot cook without cutting your self. You need to explain in detail how your dyslexia leads to you cutting yourself when you prepare a simple meal. There are aids that can help to prevent people cutting themselves and these are cut resistant gloves and this could score you 2 points for needing to use an aid.
    Personally I cannot see how dyslexia would lead to you cutting yourself when you prepare a simple meal. I am not saying it does not but you need to explain in detail how it does because the DWP or Tribunal will be asking the same thing.
    I see dyslexia as a problem with words and speech so you need to think about Preparing a meal in a broader sense. You need to ask yourself would you be able to read the instructions on a ready meal? Would you be able to follow a simple recipe? So would you need help with this? You do not need to be having the help or assistance to score points but if you explain in detail your problems and explain you do not have assistance then you could score 4 points for needing assistance descriptor.
    You need to do this with all of the activities that apply to you. Remember the Reliably criteria I mentioned at the begining.
    This link will give you an idea on the activities and what you need to explain on your MR Letter (it is about filling in the PIP2 Form but can be helpful for your MR letter if you did not do a detailed PIP2 Questionnaire form) https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/
    Hope that helps
    Nasturtium
  • Nay777
    Nay777 Online Community Member Posts: 13 Listener
    @nasturtium thank you so much by the way this was incredibly helpful 
  • river123
    river123 Online Community Member Posts: 108 Contributor
    Hi just an update, I have rang pip today and they have advised a decision has been made yesterday but they have said they can’t tell me my decision as they couldn’t see it themselves but they could see one has been made? Why would this be? 
  • Hannah_Alumni
    Hannah_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,866 Championing
    @river123 I believe it can take a day or two for the decision results to be uploaded / fully accessible on their system. Keeping my fingers crossed for you! 
  • river123
    river123 Online Community Member Posts: 108 Contributor
    I called them back a few hours later and was told my decision witch was bad news, they have took my whole award of me what I had originally 😭 I had that untill 2028 I think it was an now they’ve took it of me! I am so upset.. I just need to wait for my letter to come through and start the ball rolling for a MR. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    river123 said:
    I called them back a few hours later and was told my decision witch was bad news, they have took my whole award of me what I had originally 😭 I had that untill 2028 I think it was an now they’ve took it of me! I am so upset.. I just need to wait for my letter to come through and start the ball rolling for a MR. 

    I see from a previous thread that you reported a change of circumstances because your conditions had changed.

    When you filled out those forms did you treat it as a new claim and give as much relevant information as possible? Did you also include a couple of real world examples of exactly what happened the last time you attempted each descriptor that applies you? You should have included information such as where you were, what exactly happened, did anyone see it and what the consequences were.

    If you didn't do that then i'd advise you to do that for the MR. Please put this request in writing, do not ring to request it.

    May i ask what award you previously had? Did you get some expert advice before reporting changes?
  • river123
    river123 Online Community Member Posts: 108 Contributor
    @poppy123456 thanks poppy and yes I done all that and given as much information as I possibly could. My award was until 2028 and I was awarded standard daily living, but my mobility changed after having surgery a few months ago so done a change in circumstances and now I’ve lost my award 😭 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    river123 said:
    @poppy123456 thanks poppy and yes I done all that and given as much information as I possibly could. My award was until 2028 and I was awarded standard daily living, but my mobility changed after having surgery a few months ago so done a change in circumstances and now I’ve lost my award 😭 

    There's always risks to reporting changes. The only thing i would say about the surgery is some improvement is usually expected sometime in the near future. (referring to your mobility) You must also expect the difficulties to last at least a further 9 months. Please don't think i'm saying you're not entitled because i'm not, i don't know anything about your conditions or how they affect you.
  • darrenh
    darrenh Online Community Member Posts: 3 Listener
    Applied 5th June 2023
    Phone assessment 5th September 2023
    Was told today (5 Sept) that I should hear a decision between 4 & 8 weeks.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    darrenh said:
    Applied 5th June 2023
    Phone assessment 5th September 2023
    Was told today (5 Sept) that I should hear a decision between 4 & 8 weeks.

    Which can be anything up to 12 weeks, rather than 8 weeks that you were advised.

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