Rishi Sunak's speech
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hi im new on here. does the prime minister mean to target all people on pip or is it new pip claims,i dont understand it my partner has a ten year awardment , will that be affected. ty0
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@stay_positive, please, I’m really stressed out with anxiety and a whole heap of other things right now. Our benefits are really important for us who have debilitating conditions. That’s what this thread is about. Jimmy Saville and Keirs old job is not what my issue is. Please, can we just support each other rather than going off on this.1
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I think this thread is getting out of control, I'm going to ask the mods to look at it but its completley going off track and is now becoming personal with personal attacks. The only thing about talking about politics is everyone has their own views on things, but we must remain civil if we want to continue the thread.In terms of the main point of the thread, there is not much to worry about at the moment as many have mentioned before the most likely outcome at the moment is the tories won't even be in power soon and the discussions on benefits won't even come into place. We should only ever worry about something if it is set in stone and is certain to happen, to which this at the moment isn't and most likely won't ever happen.3
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I don't think they can stop it will be just from when it's renewedLIVEDANDLEARNED said:I’m so stressed about Rishi Sunak’s speech today. Getting PIP was one of the worst experiences I’ve ever been through, it was a nightmare. Now he’s talking about making it even harder. I have Multiple Sclerosis and severe anxiety, disassociation and PTSD. He’s gunning for us, he’s going to make it ever harder and it’s so stressful.0 -
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This thread became inaccessible when it turned to total focus on political parties & the election: it's a really helpless approach, waiting for the parent-Govt to Change..
Agency is what is needed.. getting Doctors , support network.. ourselves.. to work together ... the changes Sunak is wanting are natural progressions of the way its Always been.. politics isnt going to change the entrenched discrimination which disablement is regarded in this society.. nor the aggressive beliefs about what "work'" is.. this is deep in uk society, and its distilled in Govt departments..
how we've navigated state support so far is for **** hot Advocacy, from supports who are genuinely familiar with clients' needs , not afraid to step out of line , & on it enough to network with others in a person's care-'team' to present a unified wall of support for applicants..
I know this as a therapist who includes strong advocacy in what I can offer clients, as a therapist & liaison with workers in the DWP, & finally, after years of having own disabilities rubbished & misrepresented by both dwp & nhs, as well as in society in general, as a client now navigating crisis because my GP actually listened & actioned & I have real support now.
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All of this depends on whether the Conservative government wins the next election unless I'm mistaken. That should be the focal point of thought if you're feeling anxious and stressed.
Sunak can promise to give gold plated unicorns to every adult in "the next parliament", the fact is that the next parliament is after the next election and unless a political miracle happens the tories are going to lose hundreds of seats.
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Scope has a petition going round called ‘Stop Demonising Disabled People. Does anyone know how many signatures it has yet? I couldn’t see on the petition how many have signed?0
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I tried to find out through Google search after reading your message, but couldn't find any report of it.. would be useful to know..0
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Like most of you lovely people I'm absolutely TERRIFIED of this new (sorry for the language) **** coming from Sunaks entitled mouth.I'm 51. I have epilepsy, fibromyalgia, severe bladder Incontinence, angina, anxiety and depression. I'm sure to be targeted.I'm scares for my future, my friends and other people worrying about this.1
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woodbine said:
Local councils have had their central govt. rate support grant reduced for years under this govt. and have been limited to increasing council tax by less than 3% for years also.WhatThe said:
Local authorities are funded through populace so unless you REGISTER to vote - you don't need to use your vote but should - your council is losing money.
You're right that local councils have faced significant reductions in central government grants and limits on council tax increases. However, it's important to note that there's an additional factor at play, the social care precept.While the general council tax increase may be capped around 3%, councils can also levy a separate charge specifically for social care, as my council does with a 2% social care charge on top of the 2.9% council tax increase. So, in total, my council tax went up again this year by 4.9%, which is a combination of the general council tax increase and the social care charge.0 -
as did ours and its rather ironic that our council is now offloading a number of social care facilities because they cant afford the upkeep of said facilities but the private companies who buy them canMW123 said:woodbine said:
Local councils have had their central govt. rate support grant reduced for years under this govt. and have been limited to increasing council tax by less than 3% for years also.WhatThe said:
Local authorities are funded through populace so unless you REGISTER to vote - you don't need to use your vote but should - your council is losing money.
You're right that local councils have faced significant reductions in central government grants and limits on council tax increases. However, it's important to note that there's an additional factor at play, the social care precept.While the general council tax increase may be capped around 3%, councils can also levy a separate charge specifically for social care, as my council does with a 2% social care charge on top of the 2.9% council tax increase. So, in total, my council tax went up again this year by 4.9%, which is a combination of the general council tax increase and the social care charge.0 -
I don’t know if anyone watched BBC question time, but the chair of the NHS confederation, Victor Adebowale (on Twitter as voa1234) was so kind about those with disabilities and mental health issues. If you haven’t watched it yet, it’s worth watching on BBC I player.2
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michael57 said:
as did ours and its rather ironic that our council is now offloading a number of social care facilities because they cant afford the upkeep of said facilities but the private companies who buy them canMW123 said:woodbine said:
Local councils have had their central govt. rate support grant reduced for years under this govt. and have been limited to increasing council tax by less than 3% for years also.WhatThe said:
Local authorities are funded through populace so unless you REGISTER to vote - you don't need to use your vote but should - your council is losing money.
You're right that local councils have faced significant reductions in central government grants and limits on council tax increases. However, it's important to note that there's an additional factor at play, the social care precept.While the general council tax increase may be capped around 3%, councils can also levy a separate charge specifically for social care, as my council does with a 2% social care charge on top of the 2.9% council tax increase. So, in total, my council tax went up again this year by 4.9%, which is a combination of the general council tax increase and the social care charge.Michael, the council is opting for the path of least resistance by choosing privatisation, however, this approach is not a sustainable long-term solution. Our social care system is plagued by persistent issues that require a comprehensive overhaul. My primary concern is that this option could potentially compromise the quality of care provided to our most vulnerable citizens.Local councils and governments should not place a monetary value on the fundamental right of every individual to receive the necessary care and support. This is a moral imperative that transcends any economic consideration.0 -
Sunak's proposals were hugely unpopular with most of the panel and the audience.LIVEDANDLEARNED said:I don’t know if anyone watched BBC question time, but the chair of the NHS confederation, Victor Adebowale (on Twitter as voa1234) was so kind about those with disabilities and mental health issues. If you haven’t watched it yet, it’s worth watching on BBC I player.
His days as PM are numbered but I don't think that Labour will be anymore compassionate.3 -
i totally agree but like my grandad always said you cant educate bacon and brains with no common sense is not a good combinationMW123 said:michael57 said:
as did ours and its rather ironic that our council is now offloading a number of social care facilities because they cant afford the upkeep of said facilities but the private companies who buy them canMW123 said:woodbine said:
Local councils have had their central govt. rate support grant reduced for years under this govt. and have been limited to increasing council tax by less than 3% for years also.WhatThe said:
Local authorities are funded through populace so unless you REGISTER to vote - you don't need to use your vote but should - your council is losing money.
You're right that local councils have faced significant reductions in central government grants and limits on council tax increases. However, it's important to note that there's an additional factor at play, the social care precept.While the general council tax increase may be capped around 3%, councils can also levy a separate charge specifically for social care, as my council does with a 2% social care charge on top of the 2.9% council tax increase. So, in total, my council tax went up again this year by 4.9%, which is a combination of the general council tax increase and the social care charge.Michael, the council is opting for the path of least resistance by choosing privatisation, however, this approach is not a sustainable long-term solution. Our social care system is plagued by persistent issues that require a comprehensive overhaul. My primary concern is that this option could potentially compromise the quality of care provided to our most vulnerable citizens.Local councils and governments should not place a monetary value on the fundamental right of every individual to receive the necessary care and support. This is a moral imperative that transcends any economic consideration.0 -
Danny123 said:I honestly believe sunek looses the election , honestly I was listening to John Curtis today and it would be a miracle for them to even pull it back to half of what there loosing by .... and why labour will have to do something to try to get people back into work I think they will focus alot more on job seekers and new claims , whatever they do it won't be anywhere near as ruthless as what that little weasel has got planned , I think doctors not being allowed to give sick notes , wca being tightened , trying to get people off pip , scraping the wca and people only qualifying for the new " health " through pip , etc , are all just proposals and election red meat to try and sway some Tories voters back to the flock , it really just is a case of waiting to see , we have the locals firstThe Conservative Party's long-held dominance is indeed coming to an end, as the British public has reached a breaking point with their toxic legacy. The party's internal conflicts, excessive focus on party interests rather than the country's well-being, and a string of incompetence and irrelevance have eroded public trust and confidence.The multitude of flaws that were once hidden beneath a veneer of respectability are now exposed for all to see, and the British people are no longer willing to tolerate them. The party's handling of Brexit, economic failures, social injustices, and leadership controversies have all contributed to a perfect storm of public disillusionment.As the political landscape shifts, there is a growing appetite for change and a demand for a new era of politics that is more responsive to the needs and concerns of the British people. This presents an opportunity for alternative parties and fresh political leaders to step forward and address the urgent challenges facing the nation.0
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Me tookimkenzie202 said:Interested in whether this will apply to all PIP claims or just new claims in the future if it goes ahead with the changes.3 -
None of us have a crystal ball, so all we can do is base our opinions on what previous governments have done and what they explicitly say they want to do.
Under Labour I benefitted from Tax Credits for my part time work, I got help from my local Sure Start, my daughter got EMA.
Since 2010 under the Tories I have lost a large portion of my council tax benefit, I lost my DLA mobility on transfer to PIP, I have to pay the bedroom tax and now I'm looking at having my income frozen when I move to UC, meaning every year I will be worse off. And that's just the start we now know...
It's really disappointing that Labour haven't spoken up for us in this election but my choice is clear. I don't vote Labour with joy in my heart, I do it as a matter of literal survival.
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I do hope so, Woodbine. It's possible that he's considering this move to avoid a leadership challenge, given the Conservative councils anticipated losses in this Thursday's local elections. It's time for us to be freed from this perpetual state of uncertainty and limbo.woodbine said:Just a point of interest; strong rumours from Westminister tonight that he might call an election on Monday, I'm not sure personally but it would make sense in some regards.
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