About the PM's (Sunak's) speech: Stop demonising us
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Hi All, Many thanks @Tori_Scope.😀 I put my phone on this morning and it said this is all "dead in the water" about us possibly losing our benefit and the token thing as well. How true it actually is I don't know.
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Ensure those with mental health conditions continue to be eligible for PIPBecause of the General Election, the closing date for the petition you signed has changed. All petitions now have to close at 00:01am on 30 May.
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That's not correct. Those that are self employed do not have 12 months TP. When self employed for UC if found to be gainfully self employed you are given a 12 month start up period, when during this time the minimum income floor doesn't apply. The start up period applies to everyone claiming UC for the first time or those that already claim and start self employment, if they haven't already had a start up period.
12 months TP applies to those migrating from Tax credits and have capital of more than £16,000.
After those 12 months the minimum income floor will apply unless you've either been found to have LCW/LCWRA or you're a claiming carers element/carers allowance.
I disagree about them not being clear because there's plenty of information available on the internet. I fully understand how complicated UC is for many people but there's also advice agencies or even forums like this one. They can't be clear on what anyone "can get" because that will depend on each individual circumstances and what benefits they migrated from. Transitional protection is extremely complex and no two people will be the same. Some are entitled and some will not be.
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That's what I meant, nowhere did it tell her she wouldn't have to meet the minimum income floor for 12 months.
I think it's unfair to criticise people for being ignorant of their entitlements, people unfamiliar with the DWP tactics and lots of the public in general implicitly trust the government and government agencies and assume that they are being given all the information they need.
We shouldn't have to hunt down what we're entitled to especially when a process is being instigated by the government.
I also disagree that people shouldn't be told what their new entitlement is, we have plenty of computer programmers it's not beyond their capabilities to calculate this in advance and it should have been costed into the process from the start. It wasn't because the government knew that it would make it too transparent about how many people were going to lose money. They keep banging on about how people who are working are better off than those who don't, but they seem to have conveniently forgotten that UC was brought in to cut benefits and it did, it's 'less generous' than tax credits and the minimum income floor is a disaster for low earning self employed people.
I used to work for a local bookkeeper and the government have no idea how many full time self employed people earn less than the minimum wage. Essential workers who communities rely on, from hairdressers to gardeners, decorators, odd job people, etc. They are all working full time hours, but a lot of those hours aren't paid, travel time, doing quotes, doing admin etc - none of that is paid time.
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That's what I meant, nowhere did it tell her she wouldn't have to meet the minimum income floor for 12 months.
I think it's unfair to criticise people for being ignorant of their entitlements. People unfamiliar with the DWP tactics and lots of the public in general implicitly trust the government and government agencies and assume that they are being given all the information they need.
I think it wasn't beyond them to cost into the system as way of working out people's new entitlements for managed migration, we have enough computer programmers. They didn't I believe because it would have made it too transparent that tax credits pay more than UC, government seem to have conveniently forgotten this, that UC was designed to be 'less generous' and the MIF is a disaster for low earning self employed people.
I used to work for a local bookkeeper and the government have no idea how many self employed people working full time hours earn less than the minimum wage. Essential workers who communities rely on, from hairdressers to gardeners, decorators, odd job people etc. A lot of their time is spent travelling, doing quotes, doing admin etc, none of that is paid time.
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I agree that UC was never designed for self employed people. I disagree that it was designed so the people would be worse off. Not everyone is worse off by moving from Tax credits or any other benefit to UC. Some are actually better off and it's wrong to say that TC pay more than UC and it's things like this that have stopped people from claiming and have lost out on a lot of money.
I wasn't criticising anyone, I was stating facts. It would have been impossible for them to have worked out peoples entitlement before they migrate across.
I"m going to quietly walk away from this thread now and won't comment any further.
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Summer, I agree about JC. He was shafted by his own party whilst resisting the 2015/16 reforms which are now coming to fruition.
I agree about UC being a disastrous programme of payment for vulnerable claimants.
In my case, despite never being self-employed, UC processed my second claim as though I was and is yet to return the deductions. My third claim took 14 weeks to pay rent to my landlord.
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ZERO accountability since the failed National Reassessment Programme of 2011-2014. Their reasoning for 'cleansing' a claimant's data is to ensure we receive the correct UC award…
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I'd be voting for Corbyn too if I lived in his constituency, I think he deserves to keep his job. I don't vote Labour with joy in my heart, only as a means to oust the Tory MP in my area.
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I see the daily mail are lumping everyone on benefits as scroungers again today. Saying its easy to get pip. How .?
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Daily Mail doing Daily Mail things.
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Where pertitions to sign
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Found this, hope its come a Ross ok
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Found this, hope this has come across OK. Basically labour want the same as tories regarding disabled people
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I think that's pretty much what they've been saying about it all the time. Notably absent in this discussion is PIP, I remember Rachel Reeves saying they weren't planning on getting rid of it, so hopefully they know the difference between ESA and PIP. We can only wait and see what will happen after the election. The one thing I think unlikely is vouchers and receipt systems/catalogue because of the admin involved, even the Tories I don't think can cost and fund that in real time. But I imagine there will be some kind of change. It remains to be seen whether it's a positive or a negative one.
Help for people who want to work but are being barred by systemic ableism is a good thing. Just so long as they know the line between those who want to work but can't get a job and those who can't work because of their medical conditions. That's the thing we need to know from them really.There's no realistic Labour candidate in my local seat anyway. There's a name on the ballot paper but nobody knows anything about him.
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They want the votes. They haven't said anything like the Tories in terms of attacking us or removing benefits. All they've said is that they will bring in protections for those who want to try work so they won't have to have another assessment if it doesn't suit them. They've said before that they won't change the WCA to make it stricter either. So you're wrong.
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Hi @catherine21 :) Here's a link to our petition.
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OK super anxious now someone sent link for labours plans its to get all working and scrapping human rights act that's why thier not mentioning I cant take this anymore
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What link was that for? Labours manifesto hasn't been released yet!
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From disability news maybe trying to scaremongering
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