So labour won by a landslide - what happens next? (Both in general & disabled ppl perspective)

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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,367 Championing

    It's Sir Keir we need to persuade to have a reshuffle and get rid of him! He's a wolf in sheep's clothing, a total fraud!

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 992 Championing

    Dosent bode well, I get so depressed about what's happening

    Ever since sunak made that announcement about pip.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,513 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I think it's worth remembering that nothing has happened yet, we don't even know if anything will happen regarding the old governments ideas.

    We'd be much better off trying not to second guess what the new government may or may not do and use our very precious mental energy elsewhere. I know uncertainty is rubbish, but if we focus on what-ifs, we'll just make ourselves more ill.

    Or if you feel you do need to do something, writing to your MP to ask them to champion the disabled could be good. 😊

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,367 Championing

    Andi, it wasn't even Sunak's fault! He took over a failed government which had spent 14 years demolishing the public services Labour had built when in power pre-2010.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 299 Championing

    I saw this from the benefits and work site.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/work-and-pensions-secretary-slams-labour-market-stats-as-truly-dire-and-affirms-mission-to-get-britain-working-again

  • Ralph
    Ralph Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    The question is. If you’re unable to work are you going to be punished?

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    edited July 2024

    I’m really trying not to comment much about the dwp & disability under labour till the gov summer recess has started…..


    …….but someone’s got to have a word with Kendall as her quotes that media are choosing as headline read appallingly (her chosen tone & language towards claimants as a whole group is so anxiety inducing - I really hope she’s clueless and not the alternative I and many others fear)

    (For the record Kendall - a persons welfare, well-being and health are more often than not, the most important thing to an average human being - if ppl are to have any chance of working than being concerned about individual welfare must be a paramount part of that…….certainly not brushed to the side - this headline leaves a really bad taste in my mouth)

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/labour-dwp-liz-kendall-work-and-pensions-secretary-barnsley-b2584098.html

    the gov press release

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kendall-launches-blueprint-for-fundamental-reform-to-change-the-dwp-from-a-department-of-welfare-to-a-department-for-work

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 992 Championing

    That's all very well her saying that, how many business want to employ people with disabilities, Having to have time off work because of illness, and doctors appointments.

    I, it will make us , even more ill. I used to work part time as a cleaner, and even if you felt bad had to drag yourself in. You were penalised by having time off through being ill and had to have meetings. At the time I wasn't ill like I am now, it's due to the job I have copd, and my joint hypermobility syndrome worse due to covid.

    What about volunteering? To keep benefit, but volunteering, even 1 hour etc. People who have nothing wrong with them, for work . But for us. It's impossible. This needs spelt out to her. Organisations like scope , they need to listen too

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 299 Championing

    I quote from the Independent.

    Liz Kendall “Over the last 14 years millions of people have been denied their rightful chance of participating in the labour market, and the hope of a brighter future. They’ve been excluded, left out, categorised and labelled. Britain isn’t working.

    “We need fundamental reform so the department for welfare becomes a genuine department for work.”

    Local leaders will be able to tailor schemes to get people back into work under the plans.

    “We will give local places the responsibility and resources to design a joined-up work, health and skills offer that’s right for local people.

    “DWP will support local areas to make a success of this new approach.

    “And we will devolve new powers over employment support to catalyse action and change.”

    Ms Kendall will announce the Labour Market Advisory Board, a group of external experts to give market insight and advice to the DWP and challenge its plans.

    The Work and Pensions Secretary previously announced that the Government will publish a White Paper that builds on Labour’s approach to get people working by creating a new national careers service, creating new work, health and skills plans for the economically inactive and with a youth guarantee for 18 to 21-year-olds.

    On Monday, Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer said he would be setting up a new body, Skills England, to “fire up” the training of more British workers and reduce reliance on foreign labour.

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Online Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing

    All very welcome if you subscribe 100% to the social model for your disability.

    It doesn't work for me because although there are certainly ways the world could be different that would make my life lesa stressful, it's the voices in my head that stop me from being employed, not the lack of adjustments.

    I need to see that they understand that however much we might wish it to be different, some of us just can't be employed, either because we are too ill or because managing our disability is already a full time job or because being employed would make our health worse.

    It was very worrying to read that they have put in charge the man who was Blair's advisor on conditionality and who was in charge of introducing the WCA, ESA & making IB claimants do work related activity. Very worrying indeed.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,367 Championing

    Mr T?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 299 Championing

    How can they get someone who is unable to work to work?

    All of this is wave magic wand and everything will be fine, the realities are there are people, working age people who cannot work due to impairment/disability. The other realities are there is a Mental Illness crisis in Britain which has seemed to have increased from 2022 onwards, this isn't "down and bluesy" to quote Mel Stride, these are people who would rather not live anymore which is a terrible inditement on this country to be honest.

    I hope Labour will be using the carrot more than the stick with their plans but the influence of Blair is there, what was the incapacity benefits regime like back then under New Labour? What it hard or compassionate?

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 992 Championing

    Mel Stride odious toad may be putting his name forward for tory leader. How he got in again is beyond me

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    a question to the scope moderators:


    Is there a way to put sections of our posts under a ‘spoiler’ banner? (The click to expand type mechanism)


    I’ve been thinking that some members find reading in depth opinions and media articles useful but some members may find it a bit overwhelming or only see the sensationalist headlines

    It would be really useful to have the spoiler banner option (but more of a trigger warning purpose so members have the option to skip pasts elements of a post)


    I hope that makes sense and if it’s not already a feature it can made into one


    thanks

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,320 Championing

    In an ideal world we could just get on with our lives no disrespect to mods its not my reality and certainly not easy to get on with life most of us are terrified we have been bashed bulied ignored driven mad by all of this personally from the budget last November I have been on flight or fight mode this country trash for the way they treat disabled elderly total trash

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 992 Championing

    Just seen chancellor Rachel Reeves saying the budget on Oct 30 will effect welfare , dosent bode well

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,320 Championing

    Why don't you think doesn't sound good I didn't watch

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,513 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I've just finished watching her speech. Honestly, I'm currently not too worried. She just said the usual "Those who can work, should work" I don't think it'll all be sunshine and roses, but I think we should try not to panic about something that may never happen.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,320 Championing

    I'm convinced in January will be called pathways from 2025 start with new claimants tightening WCA and eventually getting to all esa claimants 2026 2927 fazzing out and then pip becomes only health benefit have to get enhanced to qualify but obviously that's my thinking