Welfare Reforms

charlie72
charlie72 Online Community Member Posts: 156 Empowering

Iv'e just read online on Yahoo news that there are now plans by Labour to go ahead with the WCA reforms proposed by the tories. They were going to change the assessment so people with mild or moderate mental health issues would lose the extra money they get and be forced to get a job. Would that also mean people who are waiting for reassessments or just new claiments, it's very worrying, I try not to listen to it or watch the news but I feel bombarded by negative news on disability benefits all the time. I just don't know what to believe anymore, what's fake news or partially true, would they really take nearly ยฃ5000 a year off us to save a few quid? It's all very stressful and worrying to think they could force me into work when i'm too unwell to do so.

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    What you've read is just speculation and nothing else. There's been no announcements for anything yet. We may hear more on budget day which is 30th October.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 201 Trailblazing

    There's a lot of speculation going on.

    Rachel Reeves is coming underย intense pressureย to use the budget to abandon a ยฃ1.3bn cut to benefits for people with disabilities, first announced by the Tory government, amid warnings it will lead to hundreds of thousands of the most vulnerable people losing almost ยฃ5,000 a year.

    The leading independent thinktank,ย the Resolution Foundation, has called on the chancellor to drop or delay changes to the work capability assessment (WCA), arguing that key aspects of the policy have not been thought through, and that around 420,000 people who are unable to work through disability or ill-health could lose up to ยฃ4,900 a year.

    The controversy is another headache for the government, particularly as the savings from the Tory-conceived plan are already baked into the Office for Budget Responsibilityโ€™s forecasts for the public finances that will underpin the budget on 30 October.

    This latest dispute over benefits cuts follows outcries over theย governmentโ€™s plan to limit winter fuel paymentsย to only the poorest pensioners, and its refusal to end the two-child benefit cap that is being blamed for tipping many thousands more children into poverty every month.

    Mike Brewer, interim chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said the plan should be scrapped or at least rethought: โ€œThese changes disproportionately affect lower-income households, and could lead to individuals missing out on support, in spite of being at substantial risk of harm, opening up the government to legal challenges.

    โ€œMinisters are right to scrutinize fast-rising disability benefit spending. But these changes have not been thought through properly. They should be delayed โ€“ if not cancelled โ€“ until they are.โ€

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Online Community Member Posts: 156 Empowering
    edited October 2024

    To be fair that's just the exact same article I was talking about word for word, I could have copied and pasted it too myself. It doesn't really tell me anything new or nothing I didn't already know, I was after advice, reassurance or to be told not to worry, [EDITED BY MODERATOR - uncivil]

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 201 Trailblazing

    How did I know you read that? There will be change but how they are going to change things nobody knows.

    I would try not to worry until things are set in stone.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    You are asking for something impossible. No one can tell you anything at all because nothing has been announced. I can advise you to try not to worry but will that work? possibly not. If you weren't worried you wouldn't be posting in the first place.

    I'm the sort of person that won't worry until I know I have something to worry about. Now, I know that some members do not understand my logic and I'm not asking anyone to do that. For me, I have enough in my life to worry about right now and I won't add anything else to my worries. Worrying makes my health worse and I won't put myself through that.

    What I do know is that all of this speculation on here isn't helpful to anyone.

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Online Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing

    I didn't realise that the supposed savings from slashing the LCWRA group had already been baked into the current government's budget forecasts. That's upsetting. I only get LCWRA because of the substantial risk rule, I can't fulfill any work search obligations, my mental health just won't allow for it, even just the pressure of knowing I could be sanctioned is too much for me.

    If they don't change their minds about this it will be nothing short of a democidal catastrophe for people with mental health disabilities.

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,717 Championing

    It is rather concerning. To me the whole thing seemed rather silly, as the WCA is meant to be scrapped entirely within the next year or so. Hopefully we will hear more about what is to be considered soon.

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,717 Championing
    edited October 2024

    They are not scrapping LCWRA no, they are just looking to remove the assessment and move to determining work capability via some other method. I have seen both using PIP or doing away with it being assessment based, though it is still not known what the eventual replacement will be. The assessment has been deemed unnecessarily stressful and demeaning while also not being very effective. I understand given what has happened the past several years to immediately assume the worst, but it isn't in this case.

    [Post edited to clarify the eventual replacement for the WCA is not yet known]

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,603 Championing
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    Are they planning on doing that? I haven't seen anything at all on what exactly they may decide to do. With all due respect Jimm, you don't know anymore than we know. Honestly, all this speculation really is awful. ๐Ÿ™„

    I don't understand your comment about "not being very effective" The WCA stats for UC say that 63% are found to have LCWRA, 19% LCW and 16% fit for work. The stats for ESA about about the same. That's pretty good in my opinion.

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,717 Championing

    When I talk about it not being very effective I am just reflecting what Scope has stated in the past regarding it being 'deeply flawed'.

    The Work Capability Assessment is deeply flawed. At Scope we hear from so many disabled people whoโ€™ve had to go through stressful, degrading assessments, with assessors who make them feel like theyโ€™re lying. The reports produced are often inaccurate and the wrong decisions are made.

    You are right however, stating that a non-based assessment is the replacement is some speculation on my part as I have read in different places that it could become a non-assessment based system and in some other places it will all be done under the PIP assessment. The answer is not known, all we know is that current policy is to scrap the WCA in a few years time.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    @vikki66 I'm always the sort of person that prefers facts to speculation. This is one of the reasons I won't worry until I have something to worry about. All this speculation isn't helping anyone, even more so for those that suffer extreme mental health.

    I'm not a rude person on here or in real life. I'm a straight to the point sort of person but being this way doesn't mean I'm being rude. I'm actually quite the opposite and have always put others before myself, right from my childhood.

    There's no tone to text speak so what a person writes may come across as being rude, when it actually wasn't.

    I'm here to help people and tell them the facts, not to cause trouble for anyone. ๐Ÿ˜Š

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,603 Championing

    I agree with vikki I appreciate all your support as a great body language reader so hard on txt messenger thanks for everything you do oh vikki66 my mum Scottish has many Scottish phases whilst waving fist in the air ๐Ÿ˜€

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing

    @Catherine21 thank you. โ˜บ๏ธ

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,140 Championing
    edited October 2024

    Thank you for your post. I really thought the eye-rolling emoji was universally recognisedโ€”obviously not! Poppy's use of the eye-roll emoji ๐Ÿ™„ in her above post does not come across as rude or dismissive at all. Rather, it seems to be a light-hearted, exasperated response to the excessive speculation and rumour-mongering happening in the conversation. By adding the ๐Ÿ™„, Poppy acknowledges that all the unfounded guessing is "awful" and unnecessary, doing so in a good-natured, relatable way.

    The eye-roll emoji functions as a shared expression of mild frustration, not an aggressive or disrespectful gesture directed at any individual. It's a common nonverbal cue used to convey a sense of "here we go again" when faced with unproductive speculation, without escalating to a more confrontational reaction. In this context, Poppy's ๐Ÿ™„ comes across as an understandable, harmless way to express frustration at the situation, rather than an attempt to rudely shut down the conversation.

  • judie
    judie Online Community Member Posts: 322 Empowering

    ๐Ÿ™„ is my favourite emoji, it's how I react to most situations in life! Sort of 'good grief, here we again' ๐Ÿ˜‚