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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,344 Championing

    Honestly been like wow did he really say that??? What's with the hair and foundation Oh got to laugh 😃

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,866 Championing
    edited November 2024

    Half the population didn't elect him, that's not how the system works. Only around a quarter of adults actually voted for him. That means three quarters didn't choose him!

    Sadly we've ended up in a weird situation in both the UK & USA for the past few years where neither of the options seemed positive, and we just had to try and work out the least worst option. I'm afraid I can't see anything positive to come from another 4 years of Trump as President. Just have to hope he doesn't cause too much more damage.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,513 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    The American voting system is very odd, I was reading more about the electoral college over the last few weeks and it seems like a very outdated system.

  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 180 Empowering

    what’s shocking me at the moment is the support he’s getting with people I know too. I’m not sure what I’ve missed tbh it seems like loads of people are trump supporters and I don’t know how to feel about it.

  • Strawberry1
    Strawberry1 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 7,067 Championing

    Only watched a tiny bit of the news. Can't keep listening to all of that news over and over . Sorry guys .

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,344 Championing

    The world's gone mad is this all by design .. I heard Khan saying he will leave uk if Trump gets in !! I'd love to help him pack

  • Strawberry1
    Strawberry1 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 7,067 Championing

    I don't think I will watch the news this evening 🤔 😕

  • Strawberry1
    Strawberry1 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 7,067 Championing

    So very sorry 😞. I have had a change of heart . The news will be on I will only listen to odd bits . I apologise unreservedly. Please excuse my change of mind. So sorry.

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,513 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    There's no need to apologise for changing your mind @Strawberry1 everyone has full autonomy to make their own decisions. 😊

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,380 Championing
    edited November 2024

    Everything Wibbles has said.

    Nightcity, yeah 😑

    Strawberry, yeah. Monotonous. Newsnight after my programmes is about all I can face today. Lost for words.

  • Strawberry1
    Strawberry1 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 7,067 Championing

    Thank you @Albus_Scope and @WhatThe .

  • JessieJ
    JessieJ Online Community Member Posts: 993 Trailblazing

    I didn't have to watch the news to know the outcome. I do find it incredible though, that some Americans voted in an egotistical, misogynistic, fraudulent, lying criminal to be their president again. It is quite frightening & depressing.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 398 Championing

    I haven't been watching/reading the news, except noting the headline this morning. It's something we have no control over here, and will just have to monitor to see what the impact is/isn't on the UK going forward.

    I have some friends in the US, however, who are devastated by this outcome. And there's not much I can say to reassure them :(

    I want to stay apolitical on another country's democratic choice if possible, but I feel for them.

  • Steve_in_The_City
    Steve_in_The_City Scope Member Posts: 810 Trailblazing
    edited November 2024

    I don't think American people should be berated for voting for someone many people dislike. It is their country, their way of life and their choice. We have to live with the consequence of their vote (as does the entire planet) but for now we can't be certain what the ramifications will be, good or bad, so I think it would be helpful to wait and see. I lived in Los Angeles for a while and I was extremely happy there. America has been my most favourite place to visit ever since I went there for the first time aged 21, and I have returned there many times. I find Americans to be good company, friendly, helpful and considerate. I go into the financial district most days and I meet people from around the world, inc. Americans who work here in The City and at Canary Wharf and who contribute to our economy. As for Americans being stupid and gullible, it just so happens that the United States have some of the best universities in the world. So let's not attack American people or anyone else for that matter because we don't like who they voted for.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,344 Championing

    Well from a clueless point of view alot of people delighted Katie Hopkins for one and many others saying he will bring down kier starmer for his involvement surly that would effect us ?

  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 180 Empowering

    I don’t think he’s going to bring down Keir Starmer but they’ve not got off on the best foot by Starmer sending labour people out to help the democrats.
    I think there’s going to be an issue with him being tied to Farage and respecting him over Starmer, and it also could cause issues obviously if Trump decides to pull out of NATO.
    I think there’s going to be instability for sure but Trumps term will be over before Starmers and fingers crossed America will still have a democracy to vote Trump out come 2028

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,407 Championing

    When we criticise America for electing Trump, aren’t we overlooking the fact that Americans voted with full knowledge of who he was? His persona, policies, and flaws were well-documented, and they knew exactly what they were getting. It was their right to make an informed decision based on that transparency. In contrast, we often fail to appreciate the value of such clarity in our own political choices.

    Can we truly stand in judgement of the American people, especially when we look at our own recent choices for prime minister, both under the Conservatives and, more notably, with Keir Starmer? Starmer has hardly turned out to be a paragon of virtue. His leadership has been marked by decisions many find difficult to defend, and it’s clear that our own political gamble hasn’t panned out as some had hoped.

    Voting requires trust and optimism, no matter where it takes place. Instead of hastily criticising American voters, perhaps we’d be wiser to reflect on our own voting history and acknowledge that, at times, our own choices have been far from satisfactory.

  • Ralph
    Ralph Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    As the saying goes they made their bed….

    Of course he was democratically elected but that doesn’t make it an awful decision. We after all elected Boris Johnson, another charlatan who was in it just for himself like Trump. Time will tell what will happen.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,407 Championing

    I understand your perspective, and I agree that Trump’s actions raise serious moral questions. It's hard to reconcile voting for someone with such a problematic history, and his supporters must take responsibility.

    That said, we can’t reduce Trump voters to a single explanation. Some supported him for his policies, others out of frustration with the establishment, and some overlooked his flaws for what they believed was the greater good.

    The "convicted criminal and sex offender" aspect is troubling, but we must also address the deeper issues, like economic hardship and disenfranchisement, that fuelled his rise to popularity. I'm not defending him or his supporters, but the more pressing question must be how someone like him could even get close to the corridors of power.

    When I look at our own political system, I see how much the standards of statesmanship have eroded. In July, when I saw the list of candidates for prime minister, I couldn’t help but think: Is this really the best they can offer Uk voters?

    Given that, I don’t think we’re in any position to criticise other countries. I fear we’re heading in the same direction, and it won’t end well. When people are angry, they don’t always make the best choices.

  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Scope Member Posts: 1,843 Championing

    I rarely wade into politics but anyone who voted for the man who asked 'could injecting bleach cure covid'… just saying