Upcoming changes to benefits

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  • Moorgater
    Moorgater Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering

    Struggling to post the screenshot but the important final paragraph is below. It also suggests to me that MPs opposed think it isn't going to happen immediately.

    Of course, the longer a government delays those cuts, the closer the bath is to overflowing and the less likely it is that those cuts will happen at all. Some of the MPs who are particularly opposed to the cuts also happen to be very annoyed with Starmer and Reeves, and quite hopeful that they may be able to remove the former. They won’t speak out because they are biding their time until that bath does overflow and there is a flood of resentment in the wider Labour party that they can then take advantage of. So don’t be deceived if the party seems relatively peaceful and united over the next few months. The tap is still dripping.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    oh wow I hope that’s true . How long could this take especially if it went to court ? Would court delay any changes ? Thank you this has given me a bit of hope .

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,457 Championing

    What do they expect us to live on ? Have bills to pay. I can't walk hardly so need taxis or bus

    He has a Facebook page and it shows him being the big I am in meetings over zoom with zelensky. People are giving him what for. Same with kendall

  • Moorgater
    Moorgater Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering

    I think it's unlikely to be very soon. These things usually take a long time and their already fractious MPs would be incandescent if this was rushed in. The article suggests those opposed think this will be more marathon than sprint. But, we're guessing. Seems even Keir, Kendall and Rachel From Complaints aren't sure yet.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I don’t think they’ve thought this through. One minute I read they’re reducing lcwra and increasing the basic rate. Then there’re stopping lcwra and we all need to engage . So would that mean we’d get more money again in the basic job seekers group. Then it would be constant sanctions as we can’t work . It can’t possibly be lawful to leave anyone without funds especially sick and disabled people. Then of course if they remove pip from so many ppl local councils will have to look after them as their carers are forced to work . Nothing makes sense to me but I think that’s because what msm states will happen doesn’t make sense.

  • Moorgater
    Moorgater Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering

    I believe Powell is opposed to the cuts also. Plus, it seems Streeting and Rayner both voiced concerns about this. As those two are the ones who most obviously want Starmer's job, it seems likely they feel opposition to this is either a) already popular with other MPs or b) soon will be popular when the inevitable car crash happens and the polls head south.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Rachel needs to go back to the office , those phones won’t answer themselves

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering

    Worth a read…

    https://www.politico.eu/article/freeze-on-pip-disability-benefit-likely-to-be-dropped-after-labour-backlash/

  • Loulou82xx
    Loulou82xx Community Member Posts: 56 Empowering

    The thing is we do know that a large amount of extra claimants have claimed especially for PIP since 2019 but I suspect most are people like my Mother and Father both late sixties both experiencing health problems in the past 8 years or so and with pushing the retirement age back you will have many more people in this age group who through no fault of their own are forced to claim benefits.

    My parents have never claimed a penny, have paid into the system their whole lives my Dad left school at 15 and has worked manual jobs his whole life and paid in for almost 50 years he had to claim at 63 for PIP due to a huge hernia in his groin, he was put on a waiting list and it took 18 months for his treatment. I think many people are in his situation, the NHS has too much pressure on its services so people who can be fixed through an operation are being forced to claim benefits whilst enduring a very long wait for treatment, as my Dad says had he been seen quickly he could have returned to work after recovery.

    They are noth now receiving state pension my Dads health is now good so he doesn't need attendance allowance and my Mums issues are also now sorted so she also just gets State pension, she is also a Waspi and disgusted with the treatment they have received but that is another discussion.

    The point I am making is they are not looking in depth at why there has been such a large increase in claims.

    I accept that there is an issue with 18-30 year olds being out of the workforce and that some of it is down to mental health but again there is not the support available for them to get better, the GP shoves anti depressants at them and that is it, the waiting list to talk to somebody is months long, which makes the depression and anxiety even worse. The jobs are not available for unskilled workers either, we have always had a working class in the UK and use to have well paying jobs available but we have shipped all of our manufactoring abroad and wonder why depression and issues have developed for the poorest people in our country, they have no hope, no investment in a country which lets them down again and again.

    We need well paying manual jobs to give people a chance to have a good standard of living, there is currently no way to get to the middle class for most people, it is a very depressing situation and is mirrored across western countries who have let the working classes of their countries down.

  • Moorgater
    Moorgater Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering

    This makes more sense when you realise that these people largely don't know what they're doing. They are not evil masterminds but grotty careerists with little clue about the world around them. If you asked everyone who voted Labour last time out why they did so, none of them would answer with 'because I thought Tory plans for welfare and the NHS were insufficiently Right-wing'.

    The only people in the country who didn't know that are currently in the cabinet.

    And that's all you need to know.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    As mentioned in the past what Labour are doing, briefing the media, trying to create false paradigms justifying devastating cuts ect is exactly like an abusive relationship, my late father used to do the same thing all the time, when you've been through this as I'm sure many have you pick up on it.

  • Moorgater
    Moorgater Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    they must have advisers , even Starmers a lawyer so he must think this won’t look good in court especially after Ellen Clifford won last time . And what they’re planning is worse than the Tory’s by the looks of things

  • Houdini
    Houdini Community Member Posts: 3 Listener

    It’s a disgrace what they are even thinking about doing to the PIP system.where does this leave DLA for children?Surely they can’t touch that either ?I worry for my 7 year old who has autism and selective mutism as his future going forward when’s he’s 16 looks very bleak if he has to try to love over to a system that would probably reject his claim!

  • Moorgater
    Moorgater Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering

    They do. A man called Morgan McSweeney is Starmer and Co's guru. They seem to credit him with almost mystical powers. I will return to him in a later post when I have more time. But look him up. And tell me if you think he has any particular qualifications to set the direction of travel for UK governance.

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering

    “I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened.”

  • Gazmo76
    Gazmo76 Community Member Posts: 21 Connected

    Hi guys , I'm new to this, so bear with me ! How are folk on here coping ? What distraction techniques are you coming up with this news of potential cuts and harder eligibility I know it's hard to think of anything else , I'm really worried as it looks like the eligibility for mental health is changing and it's going to be harder , I was raped, contracted HIV and I self harm and have bulimia, I have bad days and REALLY bad days , I'd be a liability for any employer, I'm honestly worried fir my future

  • dream
    dream Community Member Posts: 125 Contributor

    I think everyone is worried i know my rent is gone up next month I'm getting a 10p pay rise on my welfare I am I'm 50 I have rt autism ADHD and COPD gas bill has gone up sky high next month this labour government has **** a lot of people off

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 853 Championing

    I don’t know if it’s been discussed but the majority of disability benefits (at least 85%?) that gets paid out to claimants gets spend back in the uk economy (to shops and businesses that then pay uk ni and tax.

    If the treasury cut £6billlion (I don’t know what that breaks down as yearly savings - £2billion prehaps) then it will get redirected somewhere else right?

    we know that starmer wants to rise defense from 2.5% to 3% asap (the foreign aid cut is covering the 2.3% to 2.5% rise) which would cost an additional £15billion a year which seems like the most likely relocation.

    The thing is I’m not sure if the defense budget pays back into the economy pound to pound the same way

    There’s something very uncomfortable about taking money from disabled then using it towards further funding certain wars


    it’s not a subject I’m well versed in but if huge amounts of the disabled community do end up having several thousand deducted from benefits awards each year surely it’s not unreasonable to ask reeves exactly where ever penny is being redirected (the treasury expenses doc in the spring statement could have those details I guess?)

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