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LCWRA BACKDATED?

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propol
propol Community member Posts: 6 Listener
Hi My first assessment period for UC commenced on 6/2/2023. I was awarded LCWRA on 7/3/2023. I’m aware that 3 full assessment periods must expire before LCWRA goes into payment. 

Does anybody know if the LCWRA payment is backdated to 7/3/2023 and when I should expect the first payment
thanks 
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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2023
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    That’s an extremely quick decision! Your waiting period will be Feb to May .. LCWRA starts from AP 6th May to 5th June and first payment will be 12th June. No LCWRA element is owed, this is because it’s not paid at all during the waiting period.
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  • propol
    propol Community member Posts: 6 Listener
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    If the award is for a year with a potential review after a year in reality it’s for 9 months on the basis that the LCWRA is not renewed? Why is there a waiting period?
    thanks
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    propol said:
    If the award is for a year with a potential review after a year in reality it’s for 9 months on the basis that the LCWRA is not renewed? Why is there a waiting period?
    thanks

    LCWRA is an ongoing award until a new decision says otherwise, there's no end date to the awards. They will give you a timescale if you ask but it's nothing more than a guide. At the moment reviews are suspended and they have been for 3 years. When they start back again there will be huge backlogs so it's unlikely you'll be reviewed anytime soon.
    The waiting period always applied to ESA too so it's no different now.
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  • propol
    propol Community member Posts: 6 Listener
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    Thanks so much. At last I have an explanation. 👍😊
  • RubyRabbi
    RubyRabbi Community member Posts: 14 Listener
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    Hi ~ I am new here, so be gentle !
     I first jointly claimed UC in 2019 with my partner, who declared he was/is my carer on the first day.
     However, I did not receive LCWRA until May 2021 and PIP later on in 2022 as the result of a new diagnosis.
    My questions are,
    a) should the DWP have told me as a new claimant that my partner was eligible for some carer payment when we both made the claim and if so, can a claim be backdated so far back ? ( think I know the answer! )
    b) when should this carer payment have started ~ from the first day of making a claim/declaration or the date of LCWRA being awarded or the PIP award ?
    c) which is the most financially beneficial if my partner is caring for me 35 hours plus and not working ~ the carer element of UC, the Carers' Allowance or the Disability Premium ?

    Sorry for all the questions but have only discovered this forum and there are many smart people out there who can probably help me out......!

    Many thanks......




  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    RubyRabbi said:
    Hi ~ I am new here, so be gentle !
     I first jointly claimed UC in 2019 with my partner, who declared he was/is my carer on the first day.
     However, I did not receive LCWRA until May 2021 and PIP later on in 2022 as the result of a new diagnosis.
    My questions are,
    a) should the DWP have told me as a new claimant that my partner was eligible for some carer payment when we both made the claim and if so, can a claim be backdated so far back ? ( think I know the answer! )
    b) when should this carer payment have started ~ from the first day of making a claim/declaration or the date of LCWRA being awarded or the PIP award ?
    c) which is the most financially beneficial if my partner is caring for me 35 hours plus and not working ~ the carer element of UC, the Carers' Allowance or the Disability Premium ?

    Sorry for all the questions but have only discovered this forum and there are many smart people out there who can probably help me out......!

    Many thanks......





    Carers element can't be claimed by your partner until you were awarded daily living PIP. Your partner can report a change of circumstances and tell them they care for you for at least 35 hours per week. Whether it will be backdated to the start of your PIP award is another matter and it will be down to a decision maker to make that decision.

    There's no financial gain to claiming carers allowance as well as UC because it's just deducted in full from any UC entitlement. The only advantage is that your partner will receive class 1 NI credits, where as UC is only class 3.

    There's no disability premiums payable when claiming UC.
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  • RubyRabbi
    RubyRabbi Community member Posts: 14 Listener
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    Wow ~ that was quick, thankyou so much....... the Carers' bit all understood ~ however, I had assumed that PIP would have made me eligible for a Disability Premium, not that I know how much it is or what it's for !
    Could I trouble you again to advise ?

    RR
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    RubyRabbi said:
    I had assumed that PIP would have made me eligible for a Disability Premium,
    No, you assumed wrong because there's no disability premiums payable when claiming UC. They only apply to the old legacy benefits such as Income Related ESA/JSA or Income Support. See link. https://www.gov.uk/disability-premiums/eligibility


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  • RubyRabbi
    RubyRabbi Community member Posts: 14 Listener
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    Many thanks...... when I read the gov.uk bit yesterday, I had just concentrated on the part under eligibility which mentioned PIP, along with other benefits in a list. Didn't realise it was a case of qualifying via the old benefits first and only then does the PIP list etc.... get factored in.
    Thankyou for clarifying. 

    RR
  • justbekind
    justbekind Community member Posts: 5 Listener
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    Hello 
    First of all I just want to say thank you for letting me be here.I am really confused about my LCWRA as each DWP adviser tells me different things. 
    I start handle my fit notes from January 2022 however I was finally diagnosed in July 2022 and strongly advised by my doctor to do not work,however I get message over 
    my journal to do not applaud more fit notes as they wont accept it anyway,when I stop they put me on the work search and ask me to attend they work search appointments 
    and was told I am to young to seating at home because I am only 35 years old!!!
     I handed another fite note to them once again and continued until I was awarded LCWRA,and I did not attend any of their appointments however I always keep them updated 
    why I can't make it-  the reason was my illness. I found out about UC 50 form and Work Capability To Work from friends of friends,no one from UC/DWP did not mention me anything 
    about it even when I keep them updated about my health.
    On 7 of october I reported my health worsening and I requested a UC50 form.I have my Work Capability Assessment on 9 of January 2023 and awarded LCWRA ON 11 OF January 2023. 
    I was told to wait 3 Assessment Relevant Period   for my first payment which starts from 16 of November 2022.I got my first payment of £354.28 on 22 of March 2023 .
    My questions are:
    A)Can they treat my the way they and did and not inform me what I am entitled to and force me to search for work even when I provide fite notes and keep updating them about
    my worsening health (including mobility issues)
    B)Should I be Backdated  for LCWRA for at least 14 weeks or the only payment are made monthy afrer the 3 monts waiting time?

    I will appreciate any kind of explanation as I am really confused 

    your sincerely 
    Dorothy
  • justbekind
    justbekind Community member Posts: 5 Listener
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    I am do apologize I forgot added I am recipient of Peronal Independent Payment (enhanced rates )
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    @justbekind The waiting period is 3 full assessment periods starting from when you send evidence of your health condition. I’m just a little confused by your timeline. 

    You said you started sending fit notes in Jan 2022 but you also said they wouldn’t accept any further fit notes? Were you found fit for work at any point? Or found to have LCW? 

    What was the reason you reported a worsening of health condition in October 2022? 
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  • maccalacca
    maccalacca Community member Posts: 8 Listener
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    Does anyone know what this means am i entitled to extra money when will I receive it if yes 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    Does anyone know what this means am i entitled to extra money when will I receive it if yes 
    I answered your question on your thread here https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/105730/limited-capacity-to-work-assessment-does-anyone-know-what-this-means-am-i-entitled-to-anything#latest
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  • justbekind
    justbekind Community member Posts: 5 Listener
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    @justbekind The waiting period is 3 full assessment periods starting from when you send evidence of your health condition. I’m just a little confused by your timeline. 

    You said you started sending fit notes in Jan 2022 but you also said they wouldn’t accept any further fit notes? Were you found fit for work at any point? Or found to have LCW? 

    What was the reason you reported a worsening of health condition in October 2022? 

    I am do apologize to getting late back to you.....
    1.I start providing my fit notes in January 2022.
    2.Around August I was told they dont really care about my sick notes so I stop providing them 3.however around 2-3 weeks after I start again.
    4.7 of October 2022 I could not walk at all and I started experiencing memory lost so I reported worsening condition.
    5.My assesment take place on 9 of January 2023 .
    6.Awarded LCWRA on 11 of January 2023.
    7.I was told to wait 3 full months of assesment period starting from 16 of November 2022.
    8.My first payment landed at my account on 22 of March 2023. It was £354.28 .
    When I ask UC about 14 week back payment I was told they adding little bit extra into my UC however apart of £354.28/ there is no extra funds 
    whatsoever.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    @justbekind it will be because the 2-3 week gap in your fit notes. In August why were you told that they didn't care about your fit notes?

    Were you found fit for work? was the reason you reported a worsening of health condition because you were found fit for work previously?

    They have started your waiting period from November 2022 which seems like that start of your assessment period. Probably because you reported a worsening of condition in the middle of your assessment period, which doesn't count. The waiting period is 3 full assessment periods, with the extra money being paid from the 4th month after you reported your health condition.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
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  • justbekind
    justbekind Community member Posts: 5 Listener
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    Thank you but do they owe me anything for this 3 full assesment period? as I did not get paid anything during this time.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 54,288 Disability Gamechanger
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    No, because it's not paid at all during the waiting period.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • justbekind
    justbekind Community member Posts: 5 Listener
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    Thank you sooo much for the explanation .

  • sarha65
    sarha65 Community member Posts: 12 Listener
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    Hi am new here, sent uc50 form back in November 2022 and still have not heard anything work coach has not been intouch since march

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