Electric cars by 2030

MaaniMike

poppy123456 said:

woodbine said:

poppy123456 said:

woodbine said:

  perhaps you have a link to prove your point?

Yes no problem. https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car

https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car

which seems to prove overall that EV will be far cheaper than petrol/diesel cars, but as it in no way affects me (a non driver) doesn't interest me at all, what I am/was interested in the move to EV which can only be good news for the environment in which I live and the reduction in our reliance on imported oil/petrol/diesel.
On that basis it appears to be a win win.

I wouldn't call £22 for 30 minute charge cheaper than fuel. As i said in a comment at the start of the thread, it's not a viable option for me. 

It's only cheaper if you have a home charger or you can charge at work for free. Both options aren't possible for me but i have nothing against EVs at all. For this reason i will stick to my self charging hybrid. Anyway, i'm out now and won't comment any further.

As an EV owner and an ICE car owner I can dispell alot of what is being said. EVs used to be considerably cheaper to run before the energy crisis.

At the moment at 35p a kwh you will be paying the same per mile as your average petrol car and slightly more dear than a euro 6 diesel.

Where it really doesn't make sense is if you don't have a home charger. The cheapest fast chargers in UK currently charge 70p a kwh with many service stations now charging in excess of 90p a kwh. This makes it considerably more expensive than even the biggest petrol or diesel vehicles. Factor in the significantly higher cost of buying an EV then they have well and truly priced people out of buying one and why there is a huge increase in second hand EVs and declining demand for new ones.

Yes maintenance and servicing is less frequent and bar your usual tyres, brakes, wipers etc there isn't much that needs doing. But other issue is the dealers have a monopoly in terms of repairs as there simply aren't any garages that are equipped to deal with battery related issues. So if your EV is out of warranty expect some eye watering bills if you experience battery issues as you couldn't j

MaaniMike

poppy123456 said:

woodbine said:

poppy123456 said:

woodbine said:

  perhaps you have a link to prove your point?

Yes no problem. https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car

https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car

which seems to prove overall that EV will be far cheaper than petrol/diesel cars, but as it in no way affects me (a non driver) doesn't interest me at all, what I am/was interested in the move to EV which can only be good news for the environment in which I live and the reduction in our reliance on imported oil/petrol/diesel.
On that basis it appears to be a win win.

I wouldn't call £22 for 30 minute charge cheaper than fuel. As i said in a comment at the start of the thread, it's not a viable option for me. 

It's only cheaper if you have a home charger or you can charge at work for free. Both options aren't possible for me but i have nothing against EVs at all. For this reason i will stick to my self charging hybrid. Anyway, i'm out now and won't comment any further.

As an EV owner and an ICE car owner I can dispell alot of what is being said. EVs used to be considerably cheaper to run before the energy crisis.

At the moment at 35p a kwh you will be paying the same per mile as your average petrol car and slightly more dear than a euro 6 diesel.

Where it really doesn't make sense is if you don't have a home charger. The cheapest fast chargers in UK currently charge 70p a kwh with many service stations now charging in excess of 90p a kwh. This makes it considerably more expensive than even the biggest petrol or diesel vehicles. Factor in the significantly higher cost of buying an EV then they have well and truly priced people out of buying one and why there is a huge increase in second hand EVs and declining demand for new ones.

Yes maintenance and servicing is less frequent and bar your usual tyres, brakes, wipers etc there isn't much that needs doing. But other issue is the dealers have a monopoly in terms of repairs as there simply aren't any garages that are equipped to deal with battery related issues. So if your EV is out of warranty expect some eye watering bills if you experience battery issues as you couldn't just go to your local mechanic to get it sorted.

poppy123456

MaaniMike said:

poppy123456 said:

woodbine said:

poppy123456 said:

woodbine said:

  perhaps you have a link to prove your point?

Yes no problem. https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car

https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car

which seems to prove overall that EV will be far cheaper than petrol/diesel cars, but as it in no way affects me (a non driver) doesn't interest me at all, what I am/was interested in the move to EV which can only be good news for the environment in which I live and the reduction in our reliance on imported oil/petrol/diesel.
On that basis it appears to be a win win.

I wouldn't call £22 for 30 minute charge cheaper than fuel. As i said in a comment at the start of the thread, it's not a viable option for me. 

It's only cheaper if you have a home charger or you can charge at work for free. Both options aren't possible for me but i have nothing against EVs at all. For this reason i will stick to my self charging hybrid. Anyway, i'm out now and won't comment any further.

Where it really doesn't make sense is if you don't have a home charger. The cheapest fast chargers in UK currently charge 70p a kwh with many service stations now charging in excess of 90p a kwh. This makes it considerably more expensive than even the biggest petrol or diesel vehicles. Factor in the significantly higher cost of buying an EV then they have well and truly priced people out of buying one and why there is a huge increase in second hand EVs and declining demand for new ones.

Thanks for that. This just confirms my research was infact spot on. I have a hybrid now so the cost of the EV would be even more expensive to run. I currently get about 65-70mpg, which is insane.

The cost of maintenance wouldn't make a difference to me because i have a mobility car anyway and all that comes with it.

MaaniMike

woodbine said:

WelshBlue said:

woodbine said:

@WelshBlue whilst some of that goes right over my bald head I assume much of it is conjecture ?

Not conjecture.  Words from my Insurance Broker and my cousin who has a body repair business, about how the future of the EV revolution will effect the car insurance world

EV's cost more to repair due to time needed ... 1. To prepare them for repair  2. Takes longer to finish a car due to a slower lower 'bake' in the oven

As more get on the road = more damaged EV's to repair = simple economics that insurance premiums will rise for all to cover the added costs.

Someone only has to stub their toe and personal injury policies rise ... <<< that is conjecture 
Or cynicism at how the insurance industry works

My worry for people on Motability (I'm not) is whether RSA will get stricter with drivers compared to how they are now, will more people be excluded from the scheme, will excesses price people out if it comes to repairs.  There's loads of questions that need answers for people to have peace of mind ?

As a PistonHead I'm not against EV's, they can be fun to drive ... but do think the infrastructure is not ready, nor will be ready to cope by 2030 for all the urban areas, let alone the rural ones for everyone to charge at a drop of a hat.

The infrastructure will improve really quickly as we approach 2030 as did petrol stations in the early days of the petrol car, demand will push supply as it always does, as for insurance haven't prices been rising any way?
EV's are the future recent figures I saw were that all new cars sold in 2021 were 30% electric if they only increase by 10% a year the target will easily be met.
We are killing the planet with fossil fuel usage and it has to stop.

I fully support the uptake of EVs and as someone who has one with access to home charging not got a single negative thing to say about them at all. There are however a huge number of issues which need to be addressed which as a country are not being addressed quick enough and doubt will be addressed in time for the ICE ban.

To name a few charging infrastructure, battery end of life and what happens to them, how to make them more accessible (i.e. price), clarification on future of EV costs (lack of road tax, rumoured price per mile, replacement of fuel duty lost, lack of stability in our energy market to support to a full crossover). These are all but to name a few.

OverlyAnxious

woodbine said:

We are killing the planet with fossil fuel usage and it has to stop.

How much of the planet do you think would be saved by tiny little Britain moving to electric cars?

I completely agree that ICE engines have had their day, particularly in built up areas, and I say that as a 'car guy'.  But I cannot agree that banning new ICE vehicles from an arbitrary date or pricing disabled people out of being able to travel into cities is the way to go about reducing their usage.

If you can use public transport, great.  If it's cheap, frequent and readily available in your area, great.  If you have a driveway and can charge an electric car at home, great.  That isn't the reality for many people though.  And I'm afraid to say that since the pandemic, the cost of living crisis and the war in Ukraine, there isn't the money or the resources to improve public transport or the electric infrastructure considerably before 2030.

Please look at the bigger picture before following the 'just stop oil' campaign.

WelshBlue

As I spend time with my dying sister who is just days from leaving this earth ... it's hard to get into debate mode to respond, but ... 

I'm all for saving the planet.  We've certainly buggered it up.
As a petrol head, soulless EV's are the future.   But no more changing gear and just letting a computer do most of the thinking ?  When I drive I like to drive 

Food for future thought for EV's ... 

*More emissions are emitted manufacturing EV's ... 9 tonnes more per car, per data sources

*They're only as green as their energy sources

*More people will be priced out of buying a higher end car

*Is there a finite amount of lithium/ cobalt ? 
Is it mined ethically ... never mind our kids, what about those in South America, Republic of Congo etc who mine it with little or no PPE

Petroleum/ DERV aren't just used in cars etc ... they run our agriculture for meat and arable, , our haulage industry (the ban of 2040 is a long way away), our forestry industry - timber for construction, paper, IKEA bookshelves, our fishing industry, our road maintenance industry, our earth moving industry, our aviation industry etc etc

STOPing OIL totally would make the world grind to a halt.  It'll always be produced until viable alternatives are found

I'll face 2030 if I'm still around, when it happens, just not sure I trust politicians to make the best choices for everyone ... 

chiarieds

Hi @WelshBlue - I just wanted to say how sorry I am to read about your sister. but lovely to read you're spending time with her, which I'm sure you'll both treasure.

WelshBlue

Thank you @chiarieds ... off topic ... after being given 3 months, 2 years ago, she's finally at peace this morning after a huge battle.  A blessing.  Her dignity is resumed now

On topic ... she had an electric car through Mobility ... loved it for various reasons, but hated not hearing the revs of the engine after a lifetime of 'fast cars'

Whatever anyone is driving ... stay safe.  Life is precious

poppy123456

WelshBlue said:

Thank you @chiarieds ... off topic ... after being given 3 months, 2 years ago, she's finally at peace this morning after a huge battle.  A blessing.  Her dignity is resumed now

I'm so sorry for your loss!

Hannah_Alumni

I'm so sorry for your loss @WelshBlue Sending my condolences   

egister

We are killing the planet with fossil fuel usage and it has to stop. … cheap green propaganda.