My PIP review done by a website but hmm

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  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    For activity 1E then being able to go out at night time only doesn't count.
    I’ve read they say this descriptor can apply to people who visit a supermarket at 2am. 

    Madness. 
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    OverlyAnxious said:
    bluefox said:
    OverlyAnxious said:
    bluefox said:
    Yeah that's correct. The wording fills me with fright. I'm very literal and reading the wording makes me think I can't undertake any journey AT ALL. But to be fair, I do have agoraphobia and I get terrible symptoms when out, so I try to avoid going out at all opportunities.
    It is worded poorly.  I had the same concerns about this descriptor. 

    I even wrote that I could drive short distances and visit the supermarket (as I could when I filled in the form 18 months before they read it!) and was still awarded 1E for that.  So that does seem to confirm that it should say 'unable to take any journey on the majority of days - but able to take a journey occasionally'.  :)
    Sorry to revisit this thread. But when you visit the supermarket, @OverlyAnxious  is it at night or during the day??
    Just to be clear, I have not been able to visit any supermarket since Autumn 2021.  Though I filled in the review forms before then.

    It was always during the day before that, as I can't go out at night.  I found 10am was late enough to avoid all the school kids & rush hour traffic, but early enough to avoid the lunch time rush, the parents that had dropped the kids off at school, and the pensioners that had to get a bus to the supermarket.

    This is the sort of thing PIP doesn't really take into account.  Technically it was probably quieter at 10am than it is at 10pm, but they only seemed interested in 'day or night' when I did the first assessment back in 2019.
    OMG how long did it take for them to review your claim?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    bluefox said:
    poppy123456 said:
    For activity 1E then being able to go out at night time only doesn't count.
    I’ve read they say this descriptor can apply to people who visit a supermarket at 2am. 

    Madness. 


    Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they’re unable to undertake other journeys during the same day. Being able to complete a journey at night time only however, is not considered to be completing a journey to an acceptable standard. Therefore, in these instances, this descriptor may be appropriate.



  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,633 Championing
    bluefox said:
    OverlyAnxious said:
    Just to be clear, I have not been able to visit any supermarket since Autumn 2021.  Though I filled in the review forms before then.

    It was always during the day before that, as I can't go out at night.  I found 10am was late enough to avoid all the school kids & rush hour traffic, but early enough to avoid the lunch time rush, the parents that had dropped the kids off at school, and the pensioners that had to get a bus to the supermarket.

    This is the sort of thing PIP doesn't really take into account.  Technically it was probably quieter at 10am than it is at 10pm, but they only seemed interested in 'day or night' when I did the first assessment back in 2019.
    OMG how long did it take for them to review your claim?
    Lol.  Slight misunderstanding there.  :)

    I first applied for PIP in 2018.  Had F2F assessment in May 2019 - 0 points scored.  MR within a month - 0 points scored.  Tribunal in April 2020 - 12 points for care, but still no points for Mobility.

    Award review forms received August 2021.  Review completed April 2023 - enhanced care kept, standard rate mobility added.  (Too late to be of any help to me!)
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    bluefox said:
    poppy123456 said:
    For activity 1E then being able to go out at night time only doesn't count.
    I’ve read they say this descriptor can apply to people who visit a supermarket at 2am. 

    Madness. 


    Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they’re unable to undertake other journeys during the same day. Being able to complete a journey at night time only however, is not considered to be completing a journey to an acceptable standard. Therefore, in these instances, this descriptor may be appropriate.



    so if you do a journey during the day this doesn't count?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    bluefox said:
    poppy123456 said:
    bluefox said:
    poppy123456 said:
    For activity 1E then being able to go out at night time only doesn't count.
    I’ve read they say this descriptor can apply to people who visit a supermarket at 2am. 

    Madness. 


    Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they’re unable to undertake other journeys during the same day. Being able to complete a journey at night time only however, is not considered to be completing a journey to an acceptable standard. Therefore, in these instances, this descriptor may be appropriate.



    so if you do a journey during the day this doesn't count?

    Day time counts yes. It's the majority of the days that counts.

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