Pip review

rasberry

Hi there i had to call DWP for my renewal as the award after challenging my Pip and ernt to tribunal and won.Now this award was coming to an end and i had to call they said payment is still going to be made but sent me a review form.Am i to go through this again ? After the tribunal too.What should i do fill in the review and submit.Im stressed they dont make me go ot court again

chiarieds

Hi @rasberry - if you have been sent the 'How your disability affects you' form (it should say PIP2 at the bottom of the page), then this is correct. Your win was with a tribunal, not the DWP as you know. The DWP didn't disagree at the time, & have paid you ever since. So now if you wish to keep on claiming PIP, it's a new claim form.

You should complete & return this. I'm sorry this has stressed you, but hopefully things will go better this time.

Have another look at the activities/descriptors that are looked at with PIP:  https://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/asset-library/personal-independence-payment-descriptors-and-scores-april-2023.pdf
Try & give a couple of recent, detailed examples as to the difficulty you face for each applicable descriptor, i.e. when did it happen, where, what happened, did anyone see this, & were there any consequences to attempting/doing an activity?
Say if you can do each applicable activity 'reliably,' i.e. safely, to an acceptable standard, repeat as often as one would reasonably expect, or if it takes you much longer than someone without a disability. See this mentioned at the end of the link above.
Try keeping a diary for a week or so. Just complete a few questions at a time, & you can always add extra pages at the end. Just ensure you put your name & National Insurance number on each page. You can also ring the PIP enquiry line on 0800 121 4433 to ask for extra time to complete the form, & you will be given another 2 weeks without question.

rasberry

Hi there thank you.It says PIP award review form.is this okay?

poppy123456

Is it the AR1 form? Usually when awarded by a Tribunal they send you the PIP2 form but it doesn't really matter. The form asks you if there's been any changes so please do not just put "no changes" even if nothing has changed. You need to treat it as a new claim.

2oldcodgers

poppy123456 said:

Is it the AR1 form? Usually when awarded by a Tribunal they send you the PIP2 form but it doesn't really matter. The form asks you if there's been any changes so please do not just put "no changes" even if nothing has changed. You need to treat it as a new claim.

The same as you should do for the AR2 form (for those that have had a 10 year award).

rasberry

Hi there yeah it says PIP .1043 at bottom and theyve dated it back to firsyt claim and saying its a reviwe from then .Thats what i find suspicious they not dating from my tribunal award date.

rasberry

So do i send all again reports that i had sent to tribunal ? Should i call them up

poppy123456

2oldcodgers said:

poppy123456 said:

Is it the AR1 form? Usually when awarded by a Tribunal they send you the PIP2 form but it doesn't really matter. The form asks you if there's been any changes so please do not just put "no changes" even if nothing has changed. You need to treat it as a new claim.

The same as you should do for the AR2 form (for those that have had a 10 year award).

I totally disagree with that!

poppy123456

rasberry said:

So do i send all again reports that i had sent to tribunal ? Should i call them up

You need to treat it as a new claim. No, you don't need to ring them because when ringing them you're speaking to someone from a call centre, with very little knowledge.

You're not the first person to receive a review form rather than a PIP2 form when awarded by a Tribunal.

chiarieds

Another thing I've been looking into today as I have some concern:

 - Not all of our members appreciate that a review form needs to be treated by giving as much detail as the PIP2 form. Does this put anyone at a disadvantage if they don't find out on forums such as this? I would argue that it does. 

 - As we know there's very little space on the AR1 form, & some people may think that's all the space they have in which to reply

 - I must admit, I've only previously checked the AR1 form, but not the notes accompanying it. In the nicest possible way I 'blame' @nasturtium for their helpful info, which I've been looking into again today. Their 2nd link to rightsnet got me trying to look into things afresh. The point here being why in the notes for the AR1 are claimants told a supporting letter from your GP is emphatically NOT wanted? And please also look here: https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/16756

So why is this mentioned in the AR1, but not the PIP2? This was also brought to my attention with a recent member's posts (thank you @Leigh14 ) We know that a GP's letter is more likely usually hearsay than medical evidence, but I do also feel it may have a helpful part in some with lifelong conditions/disabilities nonetheless.

poppy123456

chiarieds said:

Another thing I've been looking into today as I have some concern:

 - Not all of our members appreciate that a review form needs to be treated by giving as much detail as the PIP2 form. Does this put anyone at a disadvantage if they don't find out on forums such as this? I would argue that it does. 

That is true but it could also be argued that not everyone will realise that they should go into more detail in the PIP2 form. One of the most common reasons for refusals as you likely know is poorly completed claim packs.

With the AR1 form i must admit to being one of those way back in 2016 where i didn't write much information at all, other than for the mobility part, where i did have changes. This was before all my additional knowledge. Thankfully, it didn't go against me and my mobility was increased at that review.

On the AR1 form there's quite a large box towards the end of the form to ask if you have any additional information.

I think a lot of people are at a disadvantage, especially those that do not have any advice agencies near them or those that don't have anyone to help with the forms.

I've never really noticed the GP points in both the forms until i seen it here. Though i've always known that a letter from a GP isn't always the best evidence to send, even more so when a lot of GPs will charge for such letters. My GP would be the last person i would ask for a letter from.

chiarieds

I'm not, as I hope you know, arguing, & I was only commenting on some differences between these forms. You can add extra info on both at the end, so I didn't mention that. And, yes, for both detail needs to be given, as I believe I mentioned.

I completely agree that usually a GP's evidence isn't the best to send; but, on occasion, perhaps they may help, as I said; one reason being to support that a claimant may have a lifelong condition that's not going to improve. Being told not to send a GP's supportive letter with the AR1 therefore surprised me.

poppy123456

Yes, i know you're not arguing, same for me too. When i mentioned "argued" i meant people in gerneral, not specifically myself. Sorry, i should have made that clear.  

Thinking about it more, i did know that the AR1 says not to send GP letters but i didn't realise the PIP2 says you shouldn't send them until i seen it here. It's been 6 years since i filled in a PIP2 form.

2oldcodgers

poppy123456 said:

I totally disagree with that!

I'm fully aware of your opinion. However I would have thought that the Welfare Rights at AGE UK might just have got it right.

poppy123456

2oldcodgers said:

poppy123456 said:

I totally disagree with that!

I'm fully aware of your opinion. However I would have thought that the Welfare Rights at AGE UK might just have got it right.

You keep mentioning the AR2 form on many threads but the threads are referring to the AR1 form, which is a completely different form. Therefore your comments are irrelevant.