Let's have a Debate

poppy123456

Steve_in_The_City said:

Around the corner from me is a national pub chain. There was a group of young healthy women, and all they did was use a Radar key to use the disabled loo, instead of walking up a short flight of stairs to use the ladies facilities. I got a tad uptight because when I wanted to use the loo I couldn't 'cos one of the young ladies was in there.

So the Radar scheme is a total waste of time.

I really do wish some people wouldn't just "assume" a person isn't disabled. My daughter has Autism, a learning disability and social anxiety, all of which are invisible conditions. She's look perfectly fine and can walk and run without problems. Just because she looks fine, it doesn't mean she doesn't have a disability. She has just as much rights to use the disabled toilet as someone that looks disabled. 

onebigvoice

There is still no accountability.  What is said in a manifesto and what is acted on are worlds apart.
  It may be as simple as what is a monumental night mare to you is not on the same part of the To-Do-List they have.  Refugees could be further up than Homeless or free school meals, and am sure that each area around the country could bring up a different to-do list.
BUT, we have to start some where otherwise its organised cayous.  Then we have loads of half jobs and nothing completed.
  I believe each area represented by an MP should receive your requests for help, and that central government should fix the bigger problems like the NHS and the Steel industry problems to name two.  What I don't see is anyone round the table talking on how to fix the problems, whether its a change of contractual hours, employment requirement and skills factors, or even relocation to bigger premesis or to have the skills factor in one place dealing with operations in one spot like heart surgery or brain surgery.
  All I can see is no one wants to committ to a resolution that is beneficial to both parties as they won't talk.
   

Steve_in_The_City

Hi everyone. I have an invisible disability (declared in 2007) but I did not need to use a disabled loo - so I didn't.

If anyone reading this wants to tell me that a group of about 8 healthy young females need to use a disabled persons loo, then you are testing my patience to the very limit.

In the same chain of pubs the disabled loo on the ground floor is kept permanently open, so that the alcoholics ( generally elderly) can go and have a pee. The loo is disgusting.

I won't tolerate anyone making excuses for the use of non-disabled people using facilities that are set aside for the disabled. 

rubin16

Steve_in_The_City said:

Hi everyone. I have an invisible disability (declared in 2007) but I did not need to use a disabled loo - so I didn't.

If anyone reading this wants to tell me that a group of about 8 healthy young females need to use a disabled persons loo, then you are testing my patience to the very limit.

In the same chain of pubs the disabled loo on the ground floor is kept permanently open, so that the alcoholics ( generally elderly) can go and have a pee. The loo is disgusting.

I won't tolerate anyone making excuses for the use of non-disabled people using facilities that are set aside for the disabled. 

What were stating is, how do you know that those 8 females are all healthy? you can't judge a book by its cover and there is a chance that all 8 could have an invisable disability and entitled to use a disabled toilet. Without knowing for certain you can't pass judgement on people.

I have had countless people state to me that "thats the disabled toilet you know" or "you shouldn't use the disabled toilet" when in fact I am entitled and sometimes need to. You just never know for certain unless you truly know the person or what ailments/disability they have. There is a chance that your correct and they shouldn't use the toilet, but also a chance you are wrong and they have every right to use it. But without knowing for certain its not for another person to judge.

Steve_in_The_City

@rubin16 Oh, please!

Adrian_Scope

I think it's important to remember that not all disabilities are visible and there are many reasons someone may need access to a disabled toilet that would be invisible. It's also not uncommon for people with similar experiences, including disability, to become friends and go out together. 

That said, I think we all agree that people can and do take advantage of disabled facilities, quite often leaving them unusable and unsafe and this is not okay.

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poppy123456

Steve_in_The_City said:

Hi everyone. I have an invisible disability (declared in 2007) but I did not need to use a disabled loo - so I didn't.

If anyone reading this wants to tell me that a group of about 8 healthy young females need to use a disabled persons loo, then you are testing my patience to the very limit.

In the same chain of pubs the disabled loo on the ground floor is kept permanently open, so that the alcoholics ( generally elderly) can go and have a pee. The loo is disgusting.

I won't tolerate anyone making excuses for the use of non-disabled people using facilities that are set aside for the disabled. 

I will say it again! How do you know that they didn’t have a disability? You are judging a book by its cover and that’s wrong! 

My daughter uses disabled toilets and she can walk, run and jump. She has Autism, learning disability and social anxiety. You would never know by just looking at her. She uses them because sometimes other public toilets can be busy and it makes her very anxious. 

Please have some thought for others… 

MW123

Poppy's insightful observation highlights the need to address the challenges faced by individuals with invisible disabilities.  We need  to cultivate empathy and understanding towards those with diverse needs, such as those affected by conditions like Autism and social anxiety, which may not be visually apparent.

As a blue badge holder, I've encountered first hand the challenges of facing public scrutiny and preconceptions regarding my disability. Despite my conditions blood cancer, heart failure, and spinal stenosis not being readily visible, they profoundly affect my daily life.  The misconception that blue badge holders must fit a specific appearance can lead to feelings of isolation and frustration. I've often been questioned by members of the public about why I require the designated space, adding to the challenges I face.

While it is important to address concerns regarding the potential misuse of blue badge parking spaces, it is equally important to acknowledge the emotional and mental toll that instant judgment based solely on appearance can take on individuals with invisible disabilities.

rubin16

MW123 said:

Poppy's insightful observation highlights the need to address the challenges faced by individuals with invisible disabilities.  We need  to cultivate empathy and understanding towards those with diverse needs, such as those affected by conditions like Autism and social anxiety, which may not be visually apparent.

As a blue badge holder, I've encountered first hand the challenges of facing public scrutiny and preconceptions regarding my disability. Despite my conditions blood cancer, heart failure, and spinal stenosis not being readily visible, they profoundly affect my daily life.  The misconception that blue badge holders must fit a specific appearance can lead to feelings of isolation and frustration. I've often been questioned by members of the public about why I require the designated space, adding to the challenges I face.

While it is important to address concerns regarding the potential misuse of blue badge parking spaces, it is equally important to acknowledge the emotional and mental toll that instant judgment based solely on appearance can take on individuals with invisible disabilities.

Its awful that people confront people when you use any disabled facility and I'm sorry that it has happened to you. Its about time people learned that some disablities are not always visable. For someone who has been confronted countless times even though I am entitled to use diabled facilities its really demoralising. I'm pretty sure unless you are like hobbling about or in a wheel chair people assume that you shouldn't be using them where infact you have every right.

Its not for another person to judge a person based on how they look or act, and people should just accept the fact that invisable disabilities exist. I think more education around invisable disabilities would help but unfortnatlely there will always be a small minority that feel the need to pass comment or confront which is wrong. You just don't know what ailments another person could be suffering from and should never just assume that a person isn't entitled to use a disabled facility based on how they look.

Steve_in_The_City

I am quite aware that there are people with invisible disabilities, being in that category myself.

Steve_in_The_City

You are of course all kidding me that a group of young ladies who can do everything that young ladies can do all need a Radar key that that are sharing to use the loo!

Steve_in_The_City

On Thursday I went to my local entertainment complex. I knew I would not be able to use the disabled loo because of all the people with invisible disabilities who need to use it. These people are quite capable to use the bars, restaurants. galleries, theaters, open/inside/outdoor spaces but for some reason cannot go to the loo unless it is for a disabled person; they somehow find it is easier to use a loo attached to the bar/restaurant that they are in.

chiarieds

Playing Devil's advocate I'm sort of with @Steve_in_The_City -  I don't think it's due to these young ladies being able to do everything that young ladies do, but that it's a tad unlikely that all 8 females needed to use a disabled loo due to their disability, invisible or not....it may be likely, but perhaps not.

Other than that, well you can never know; do they all have invisible disorders?....if so, then they should be able to use a disabled loo without discrimination, if not, then they are abusing the system.

Steve_in_The_City

@chiarieds Thank you. I have a strange life and sometimes things just get on top of me.

Steve_in_The_City

I seem to be the recipient of a lot of flak! That is ok because I think the folk who are are flaking me are handing out their Radar keys to friends and family who don't need them but want to feel justified in doing so.

For those of you who think it it is ok for people with invisible disabilities (whether they have them or not) to use a Blue Badge parking space, I just wonder?

poppy123456

Steve_in_The_City said:

I seem to be the recipient of a lot of flak! That is ok because I think the folk who are are flaking me are handing out their Radar keys to friends and family who don't need them but want to feel justified in doing so.

For those of you who think it it is ok for people with invisible disabilities (whether they have them or not) to use a Blue Badge parking space, I just wonder?

I don't need to give my radar key to my daughter because she has her own. I have an invisible condition too and yes I have a blue badge, I have one because I'm entitled to one because I claim Enhanced mobility and scored 12 points for the moving around part.

I'm sure you're now going to say something about that as well...

So yes, I think it's perfectly fine for someone with invisible conditions to have a BB!

Steve_in_The_City

Oh, absolutely Poppy! I have always had something to say, usually a daft comment, but usually something that is kind of important to me. 

I do understand absolutely everything you said. I am sorry. Can we just put this behind please, and sort of be be ok and be friends?

poppy123456

I don't have any issues with you Steve and I'm sorry if you thought otherwise. As you commented on the thread again I thought I'd respond.