New information on welfare changes

Andi66

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

apple85

I hope you won’t give up and will take the time to fill in the consultation 

this is actually getting media traction this morning

we need to stop politicans walking over us and insult to injury, using treatment of the disabled as voter red meat and actually bite back!

OverlyAnxious

They have also said they'd scrap reassessments for long term claimants whose abilities won't improve.

zane

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

What very stupid me and my partner got disablely what will not go way and never will this is stupid the party attacking people who are I’ll vote for labour im want him out of office right now this is stupid . What people going live on .

TheManFromLondon

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

If you have autism, its life long, a voucher or CBT wont help, you are safe. But thsi community is facing discrimination and division over the way things are going.

Keep calm. So far, its only the media puppets publishing malarkey material, under the instructions of their employer, the government, to test the waters.

Our reaction will shape the future.

Message your MP and all charities you can. 3 million messages over to them. This needs a reaction. Being idle, will let them just push more.

apple85

TheManFromLondon said:

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

If you have autism, its life long, a voucher or CBT wont help, you are safe. But thsi community is facing discrimination and division over the way things are going.

Keep calm. So far, its only the media puppets publishing malarkey material, under the instructions of their employer, the government, to test the waters.

Our reaction will shape the future.

Message your MP and all charities you can. 3 million messages over to them. This needs a reaction. Being idle, will let them just push more.

Re: on autism I recommend that the dwp read the Buckland report and figure out that vouchers at best will do sod all

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65ddc8b0b8da630011c86288/the-buckland-review-on-autism-employment.pdf

I know many on this forum criticise my obsessive research tendencies but there are so many holes in this latest dwp plan it’s not even fishnet - and honestly this could be killed by using the dwp own quotes against them and obliterated via fact and common sense

so though I agree with those advising ‘wait and see’ in terms of starting to panick - I agree that the disabled community can no longer allow ourselves to be walked all over - sunak and stride are weaponising disabled policy to win them election votes so let’s turn their strategy against them

luvpink

zane said:

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

What very stupid me and my partner got disablely what will not go way and never will this is stupid the party attacking people who are I’ll vote for labour im want him out of office right now this is stupid . What people going live on .

Personally I don't think that Labour will be anymore compassionate to disabled people claiming benefits.
They seem to be keeping very quiet about their intentions on this issue.

Remina

I'd love to see these wealthy politicians like Rishi suddenly be told- ''All your over-inflated expenses and financial perks will now be paid via vouchers for Asda.'', they wouldn't accept that for a second.

..But for some reason they think it's okay to do it to the most vulnerable, struggling sick/disabled people in society?

It's disgusting the way we're treated.  

MrSt0rM

luvpink said:

zane said:

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

What very stupid me and my partner got disablely what will not go way and never will this is stupid the party attacking people who are I’ll vote for labour im want him out of office right now this is stupid . What people going live on .

Personally I don't think that Labour will be anymore compassionate to disabled people claiming benefits.
They seem to be keeping very quiet about their intentions on this issue.

Labour can't promise anything, because IF this is pushed through and made into law before the election, Labour has to honour it and take the flack for it, because they can't undo it. They sign agreements and contracts when coming into power, and it costs too much to get out of them. All we can hope is that it's not VOTED into law before the next election and that the Tories are voted OUT.

MrSt0rM

woodbine said:

What makes me laugh is that they are dissing PIP a benefit they invented, the sooner these evil people are out of office the better !

Pip isn't means tested, its what they abolished DLA in favour of. Many people work and claim pip too. It's just another excuse to steal money from the most vulnerable yet again. Tories do this every time they are in power.

apple85

MrSt0rM said:

luvpink said:

zane said:

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

What very stupid me and my partner got disablely what will not go way and never will this is stupid the party attacking people who are I’ll vote for labour im want him out of office right now this is stupid . What people going live on .

Personally I don't think that Labour will be anymore compassionate to disabled people claiming benefits.
They seem to be keeping very quiet about their intentions on this issue.

Labour can't promise anything, because IF this is pushed through and made into law before the election, Labour has to honour it and take the flack for it, because they can't undo it. They sign agreements and contracts when coming into power, and it costs too much to get out of them. All we can hope is that it's not VOTED into law before the next election and that the Tories are voted OUT.

There is next to no chance it becomes law even if we have a last minute election

It’s been confirmed that it would require legislation which requires time - even if it got pushed through the house of common in record time I doubt the lords would be happy to do the same

read around social media - endless human rights issues are minimum, getting pushed to the edge

always keep in mind that this suggested policy is the act of a few desperate men



and I will say it again - the wca consultation had less than 1500 responses - but even that small number got concessions, that small number managed to force hands and make a difference

can you imagine if 10k responded to the pip consultation?, what about even 100k+ ?
(with 16m uk disabled plus their unpaid carers that should be easy)


so those who were in panic central last night - have you completed the pip consultation? Have you written to your mp? Have you contributed to getting this trending on social media? Are you telling everyone you know?

if you are on this forum spreading doom and gloom and don’t intend to fight in the ways suggested (but not ending with the) above then you are letting this all happen as much as stride and co

we’ve seen how loud backlash have triggered u turns in the past few year

i won’t be conveniently quiet for either tories or labour mps and neither should any of you

Faithlong

apple85 said:

MrSt0rM said:

luvpink said:

zane said:

Andi66 said:

Just read that sunak wants to replace pip with vouchers or disability aids. Instead of payment.  I am worried sick about it.
I have autism,  copd and arthritis joint hypermobility.  I had to give work because of my physical health. 
I struggle also with dyslexia. So how would I manage to pay for heating which I need because of my lungs and joints 
I just give up

What very stupid me and my partner got disablely what will not go way and never will this is stupid the party attacking people who are I’ll vote for labour im want him out of office right now this is stupid . What people going live on .

Personally I don't think that Labour will be anymore compassionate to disabled people claiming benefits.
They seem to be keeping very quiet about their intentions on this issue.

Labour can't promise anything, because IF this is pushed through and made into law before the election, Labour has to honour it and take the flack for it, because they can't undo it. They sign agreements and contracts when coming into power, and it costs too much to get out of them. All we can hope is that it's not VOTED into law before the next election and that the Tories are voted OUT.

There is next to no chance it becomes law even if we have a last minute election

It’s been confirmed that it would require legislation which requires time - even if it got pushed through the house of common in record time I doubt the lords would be happy to do the same

read around social media - endless human rights issues are minimum, getting pushed to the edge

always keep in mind that this suggested policy is the act of a few desperate men



and I will say it again - the wca consultation had less than 1500 responses - but even that small number got concessions, that small number managed to force hands and make a difference

can you imagine if 10k responded to the pip consultation?, what about even 100k+ ?
(with 16m uk disabled plus their unpaid carers that should be easy)


so those who were in panic central last night - have you completed the pip consultation? Have you written to your mp? Have you contributed to getting this trending on social media? Are you telling everyone you know?

if you are on this forum spreading doom and gloom and don’t intend to fight in the ways suggested (but not ending with the) above then you are letting this all happen as much as stride and co

we’ve seen how loud backlash have triggered u turns in the past few year

i won’t be conveniently quiet for either tories or labour mps and neither should any of you

Thank you Apple, this somehow puts my mind at ease but it is still terrifying to hear the prime minister say people who suffer from mental health issues will no longer be qualified to get PIP. 

Is there anything else we can do? I have done all the above, but if there is anything else we should do can you tell me what it is?

Andi66

I have signed and shared,  my mp leaving, he is always behind what ever prime minister is in.  And only cares about having his picture in the paper

apple85

@Faithlong

i believe in karma and truly believe the likes of sunak and stride will be dealt with soon

do you remember to scene at the train station in the last Harry Potter - that representation of Voldemort is a good metaphor of the Tory party right now (the final blow has already landed and we don’t need to do a thing more to seal their fate - unless you want ‘rotten food thrown at stocks’ moment and by all means)

For a few months I’ve directed my main attention to starmer because recent quotes suggests he’s learnt nothing from Tory mistakes when it’s come to the disabled and I think our community needs to educate him (and let him know he’s not getting away with the same **** the tories have unless he wants a very short tenure 

There are 16m disable + countless unpaid carers - we actually organise ourselves (to a single voice) it’s enough to give any politician nightmare 

just look at the pensioner social group - neither Tory nor labour dare touch them as they effectively create backlash speaking in one deafening loud voice - we could learn a lot from them

Faithlong

apple85 said:

@Faithlong

i believe in karma and truly believe the likes of sunak and stride will be dealt with soon

do you remember to scene at the train station in the last Harry Potter - that representation of Voldemort is a good metaphor of the Tory party right now (the final blow has already landed and we don’t need to do a thing more to seal their fate - unless you want ‘rotten food thrown at stocks’ moment and by all means)

For a few months I’ve directed my main attention to starmer because recent quotes suggests he’s learnt nothing from Tory mistakes when it’s come to the disabled and I think our community needs to educate him (and let him know he’s not getting away with the same **** the tories have unless he wants a very short tenure 

There are 16m disable + countless unpaid carers - we actually organise ourselves (to a single voice) it’s enough to give any politician nightmare 

just look at the pensioner social group - neither Tory nor labour dare touch them as they effectively create backlash speaking in one deafening loud voice - we could learn a lot from them

Thank you, Apple! I’m So grateful I came across this website, especially listen to wise voices like yours and others on here. Thank you for sharing what you know. You have no idea how much it helps. 

To be honest using he who should not be named in his final moments as an example for how desperate and evil they’ve become is spot on! Especially after the hundreds of millions they’ve wasted and stole during Covid to come after the disabled now they’re truly comically evil at this point!