Pip appeal

sunflower99

Hello I appealed a decision from pip from July last year as they stopped my payments for not returning a form I did fill the form in and send it and they didn’t received it. I asked for a new form witch they never send out I have had a change in health for the worst… I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in October I was unwell from the time they stopped my money For not returning pip form I have diabetes and suffer with my mental health how would I go about putting this in a letter for edvince  

sunflower99

I struggle with my mental health I rarely move outside I’m always in my room , I don’t wash often without being told to bathe  i don’t make my make food and wouldn’t eat a struggle with sleeping i don’t do my own meals I’m struggling without the help of my little brother to manage my diabetes he puts my libre in tells me how many units to do if I do eat rarely take quick acting insulin because I don’t eat. Need help picking cloths, need help communicating face to face because I have a speech inpediment so I don’t like talking because because don’t understand what I’m trying to say I wouldn’t be able to say all this face to face 1 word answers need support to communicate I get overwhelmed with emotion and get distressed talking face to face n shutdown n won’t talk I have thoughts of self harming my little brother helps me budget my money I won’t go outside if I’m on my own because I get overwhelmed and will turn back if I’m on my own I have panic attacks and social anxiety majorly of my day is spent isolation from the world going the corner shop makes me feel distressed and overwhelmed so I won’t go I had a esa assessment in October can I use that as edvince   I have a letter from a hostel manger explaining not of this can that be used to 

AndrewHall

woodbine said:

For PIP it's not the illness or condition that matters but the care and/or mobility issues v the descriptors.

This is misleading.  Of course there has to be a diagnosis of your illness before you can say how it affects you (symptoms).  Otherwise, many people would be claiming 

Dot2710ken

You can have the symptoms before an actual diagnosis is found. I waited 9 months for one diagnosis and over a year for another.

poppy123456

AndrewHall said:

woodbine said:

For PIP it's not the illness or condition that matters but the care and/or mobility issues v the descriptors.

This is misleading.  Of course there has to be a diagnosis of your illness before you can say how it affects you (symptoms).  Otherwise, many people would be claiming 

It’s not misleading at all and many people claim PIP successfully without a diagnosis. Symptoms do exist even without a diagnosis. 

AndrewHall

Well, when I first claimed PIP in 2021, I was refused because I was not diagnosed for my lower back issue. In 2022, I reapplied after the diagnosis and was awarded.  No consistency whatsoever in the DWP's decision. 

poppy123456

AndrewHall said:

Well, when I first claimed PIP in 2021, I was refused because I was not diagnosed for my lower back issue. In 2022, I reapplied after the diagnosis and was awarded.  No consistency whatsoever in the DWP's decision. 

Thats just another one of their “reasons ” for not awarding at that time. There’s many members here without a diagnosis that claim. My daughter was awarded Enhanced for both parts in 2017 and that was before any diagnosis. 

Bydand

poppy123456 said:

AndrewHall said:

woodbine said:

For PIP it's not the illness or condition that matters but the care and/or mobility issues v the descriptors.

This is misleading.  Of course there has to be a diagnosis of your illness before you can say how it affects you (symptoms).  Otherwise, many people would be claiming 

It’s not misleading at all and many people claim PIP successfully without a diagnosis. Symptoms do exist even without a diagnosis. 

I agree that someone can have a range of symptoms without a diagnosis, but you can’t argue with the fact that to have symptoms in the first place you must have a condition that is causing them. 

Many people are claiming without diagnosis, but I bet that for the majority of people outwith the disabled community or who have never had to consider applying for PIP themselves or for someone else this would come across as being  incomprehensible, I certainly know from conversations that I have had with others (including at support groups) that many people already believe diagnosis would be a prerequisite for applying. The application even asks you to tell them about your condition or illness.

It seems that this Government certainly thinks that moving forward this should be the case. If forecasts are to be believed then spending on PIP alone is unsustainable. having to prove diagnosis as part of the application process would at a stroke reduce applications by quite a bit I would imagine and I think the Government knows this too.

luvpink

AndrewHall said:

woodbine said:

For PIP it's not the illness or condition that matters but the care and/or mobility issues v the descriptors.

This is misleading.  Of course there has to be a diagnosis of your illness before you can say how it affects you (symptoms).  Otherwise, many people would be claiming 

There doesn't have to be a diagnosis but under the green paper proposals the government are looking into making having a diagnosis a requirement because according to Sunack some people are making "unsubtantious" claims.

AndrewHall

poppy123456 said:

AndrewHall said:

Well, when I first claimed PIP in 2021, I was refused because I was not diagnosed for my lower back issue. In 2022, I reapplied after the diagnosis and was awarded.  No consistency whatsoever in the DWP's decision. 

Thats just another one of their “reasons ” for not awarding at that time. There’s many members here without a diagnosis that claim. My daughter was awarded Enhanced for both parts in 2017 and that was before any diagnosis. 

Thank you. 
Now that I have a diagnosis, I will ask them to reopen the appeal for that closed period on the basis of fresh evidence that has now come to light. 

poppy123456

AndrewHall said:

poppy123456 said:

AndrewHall said:

Well, when I first claimed PIP in 2021, I was refused because I was not diagnosed for my lower back issue. In 2022, I reapplied after the diagnosis and was awarded.  No consistency whatsoever in the DWP's decision. 

Thats just another one of their “reasons ” for not awarding at that time. There’s many members here without a diagnosis that claim. My daughter was awarded Enhanced for both parts in 2017 and that was before any diagnosis. 

Thank you. 
Now that I have a diagnosis, I will ask them to reopen the appeal for that closed period on the basis of fresh evidence that has now come to light. 

If the decision on that was more than 13 months ago then you are out of time to challenge that decision. 

AndrewHall

poppy123456 said:

AndrewHall said:

poppy123456 said:

AndrewHall said:

Well, when I first claimed PIP in 2021, I was refused because I was not diagnosed for my lower back issue. In 2022, I reapplied after the diagnosis and was awarded.  No consistency whatsoever in the DWP's decision. 

Thats just another one of their “reasons ” for not awarding at that time. There’s many members here without a diagnosis that claim. My daughter was awarded Enhanced for both parts in 2017 and that was before any diagnosis. 

Thank you. 
Now that I have a diagnosis, I will ask them to reopen the appeal for that closed period on the basis of fresh evidence that has now come to light. 

If the decision on that was more than 13 months ago then you are out of time to challenge that decision. 

Fortunately, the decision was made 10 months ago. 😃 

poppy123456

You said in a previous comment that the decision was made in 2021. Do be aware that they will only take into consideration what your conditions were like at the time the assessment took place for that claim. 

If awarded then they will only owe you money for that claim up until the day before you made your current claim. 

AndrewHall

poppy123456 said:

You said in a previous comment that the decision was made in 2021. Do be aware that they will only take into consideration what your conditions were like at the time the assessment took place for that claim. 

If awarded then they will only owe you money for that claim up until the day before you made your current claim. 

Sorry, I meant 2022, not 2021.  Brain fog and all that.