Moving

eema

Hello everyone
i need to downsize as eldest son has left home and i cant afford the rent
i have one son non dependant at home
my question is when i move as im on income Esa and pip i need to stay in my local council area
i havnt had my migration notice to UC 
but would i get the extra protection?
 as i get extra benefit for getting enhanced payment?
 but im only on daily living component
i cant get SDP until my son eventually moves out 
if im not gonna be entitled to the protection then im thinking of moving onto UC now so i can goto a different council as there are no suitable properties around where i need
i need my area for support and to stay near parents 
im at a loss even ESA couldn’t advise me about it
They keep saying wait for migration letter itll be on there but i need to move asap
im stuck 
iv no idea if id be better off or not manually moving to UC as at moment my son does not have to contribute to the household 
but will if i move to UC???
im at a complete loss with soo much conflicting advice 
Thankyou soo much if this is something you can help with

poppy123456

If you remain with the same local Authority then you can continue with your housing benefit. If you move to a different local Authority then you would need to claim UC for help with the rent. This would end your Income Related ESA 2 weeks after you claim UC. 

If you're in the Support Group for ESA then you would be entitled to the LCWRA element of UC from the start of your claim. Claiming UC without managed migration there would be no entitlement to Transitional Protection. Even with claiming through managed migration, you would only be entitled to TP if your UC entitlement is lower than your current benefits. If you're in the Support Group for ESA then LCWRA for UC pays more than your ESA because your ESA does not include the SDP. 

As your PIP includes the daily living, there would be no non dependent deductions for UC. 

Albus_Scope

Hey there @eema and welcome to the community. :)

I can see Poppy is already supporting you here, but I just wanted to pop in and say a quick hello. :)

eema

hello thankyou

eema

so will my rent be capped on UC ?

And new UC ESA and PIP would be more money than i get now on old one?

Do i need to redo all the assessments to get new LCWRA?Coz i can not handle doing them.. PIP renewal forms causes me too much anxiety ..i dread it

And i def wont have a deduction for adult non dependant on UC

poppy123456

As I advised because you're in the Support Group for ESA then you'll be entitled to the LCWRA element of UC from the start of your claim. You will not need another WCA.

There will be no non dependent deductions for UC because your PIP includes the daily living part.

Once you claim UC your income related ESA and housing benefit will stop after 2 weeks. Help with the rent will then be paid in with your UC entitlement.

Your UC would include standard allowance (25+) LCWRA element and housing element. Your housing element entitlement would be the same as it is for housing benefit.

eema

So would my rent be capped too?coz at the moment not many properties are much lower than what im paying now.. itll just mean i have no spare bedroom.. but if im capped ill then be making the shortfall up again to reach full rent

so would i have to go through all the assessments again to be in the UC LCWRA?

Coz i cant handle all that again😔 bad enough when i get my PIP renewal forms

So you are saying that UC ESA LCWRA and PIP is higher than what i get now in the old income related and support group and PIP together?

And i def wont be deducted for an adult non dependent living with me under the new UC ESA ?

Thankyou

66Mustang

I would say unless your adult son is paying a significant portion of the rent then he is in fact very much dependant

Are you able to get him to up his contribution?

Sorry to sound like I am judging or suggesting something obvious but just something I thought was worth considering if you haven't done so already

eema

he doesnt have to contribute at all on the old Esa ..hence why im asking about the new Esa..will it still be the same?

I dont expect him to pay for an empty bedroom just to stay where we are

Thats not fair on others who need the extra bedroom.. im just unsure what the New ESA and housing element and Pip entails as to wether to wait for migration or not

We dont need an extra bedroom now

eema

so if i took on a house that was say £650 social housing ..(my local housing allowance is roughly £550 mth for 2bed) would i need to make up cap shortfall? or is it excluded coz of my PIP

Thankyou for your patience Poppy

poppy123456

Why are you referring to New style ESA? If all of your ESA is Income Related then as I keep advising this will stop 2 weeks after you claim UC. You would not receive any ESA after that.

UC is completely different to ESA. It’s one payment that includes various different elements, as well as housing element for help with your rent.

I also advised that the housing element would be the same as housing benefit so yes, if there’s a shortfall of rent you would need to pay that. You are not excluded from the because of PIP.

Does your son work? If he does and there’s a shortfall of rent then surely he should be helping you pay that.

If you’re privately renting and looking to move house are you also aware that finding a landlord that will accept you will not be easy because most landlords refuse benefits tenants.

eema

for an individual claimant new-style ESA replaces old-style ESA when UC system rules are triggered. Those rules include the abolition for that claimant of income-related ESA, and the recasting of the ESA rules to exclude any reference to income-related ESA.

and altho under UC you get separate ESA as well .. is this not the case?

So this is saying “New ESA” and that the old rules under old ESA will not continue

So will i get full rent if over £550?

Will son have to pay now?

Now rules have changed??

Thx

poppy123456

This is not correct here in your situation. If all your ESA is Income Related then it will stop 2 weeks after you claim UC.

You will not be able to claim New style ESA and your ESA will not transfer to this.

We seem to be going round in circles. The rules haven’t changed .

If you’re privately renting then you will be entitled to the 2 bedroom rate of Local housing allowance. You can check the rates here https://lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/

However, as your son is an adult then a new landlord may decide to have a tenancy agreement each. If this happens then you will each be liable for 50% of the rent. In this case you will only be entitled to the 1 bedroom rate.

I would advise you to get some expert advice from an agency near you and this way they will be able to explain in more detail. Sometimes it’s better if someone can explain face to face than on an internet forum.

eema

ok thankyou