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Tonawanda17
Tonawanda17 Community member Posts: 150 Courageous

Hi

I'm new here. I suffer with some mental health issues and am nearvous about bank spying thing

. What does everyone think to this article ? Thanks

https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/what-does-uk-general-election-2024-mean-digital-and-data-policy-and-tmc-sector

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  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community member Posts: 150 Courageous
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  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 11,388 Scope online community team
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    Hello @Tonawanda17, the article is only speculation and was written before the election. I know it is easier said than done, but please try not to worry too much about it, especially before anything is confirmed.

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  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community member Posts: 215 Pioneering
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    The facts at present are that the Tory proposed law on this did not get time to pass into legislation before the election, so is now dead.

    Whether Labour decide to resurrect it or draft a bill of their own is not known.

    So, reprieve for now, but as with all things, we don't know what the new government plans to do.

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 12,115 Disability Gamechanger
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    It's a case of we will have to see, I've said this many times about banks and the DWP but it remains true under any govt if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, in certain circumstances the DWP have had the right to look at claimants bank accounts

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  • Dave1993
    Dave1993 Community member Posts: 34 Connected
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    you only need to worry about bank spying if you have something to hide so if you have nothing to hide don't worry about it

  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Community member Posts: 4,995 Disability Gamechanger
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    I strongly disagree, it's not that simple for many people, especially those with anxiety disorders or overthink things like me!

    I can't remember who said it on here first but I loved it and will keep using it too: I have nothing to hide in my trousers but I don't want anyone else looking down there!

    I also don't trust the gov (any gov) at all that it won't be a slipperly slope of "Ah see, benefit claimants buy chocolate we're clearly paying them too much" or using it as justification for any other cuts and changes they want to make. Benefit fraud is minimal, and no where near what the gov, especially the previous one spent in backhanders, and to line their friend's pockets. The whole thing is just an excuse for more control.

  • Jimm_Scope
    Jimm_Scope Posts: 3,610 Disability Gamechanger
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    I agree with @Biblioklept here. I like to think about it like, imagine if a landlord could enter your home whenever they want, even when you aren't there. At first they say it's just to check the… electricity meter. But once he's in your house he could be checking other things inside your house, and how would you know if you aren't there?

    I'm not saying the current government would do that, but the concern is future governments. What if they decide to use the data in a way you disagree?

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  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community member Posts: 150 Courageous
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    Hi All, i'm not sure if the new government will do this or not. I read somewhere that they voted to support it (last year) but then also read that they support the bill but abstained from the vote. As has been said earlier labour peers are against it. Also, our new PM was human rights lawyer. Thoughts please

  • Jimm_Scope
    Jimm_Scope Posts: 3,610 Disability Gamechanger
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    It's early days, Parliament hasn't even started up again yet! I really cannot say if they will bring it up again or not. I will say though, the way they are talking, it seems like feedback will be taken more seriously under this new government.

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  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community member Posts: 150 Courageous
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    Thanks Jimm. I don't imagine it would be a top priority for them for now either.

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community member Posts: 150 Courageous
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    Hi. Can someone give me their opinion of this i just found. Its long but does mention using A.I. to detect fraud. Does this mean they will be going to check our accounts? Sorry to keep posting.

    https://www.institute.global/insights/politics-and-governance/reimagining-uk-department-for-work-and-pensions

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 12,115 Disability Gamechanger
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    I really do hope the new govt. does bring this back to parliament, the DWP really do need the legal right to check on the bank accounts of benefit claimants where the benefit they claim is means tested. I know supporting this might not be popular but I also suspect we might all be surprised at how much fraud (intentional or not) would be unearthed.

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  • JessieJ
    JessieJ Community member Posts: 528 Pioneering
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    Spot on, @Biblioklept!

    Do like your borrowed line, will try to remember that.

  • apple85
    apple85 Community member Posts: 560 Pioneering
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    that’s from Tony Blair’s thinktank right?

    personally Tony Blair started ‘open season’ on the disabled + welfare (and he’s been heavily criticised on Twitter) for being videoed in a speech this week implying blame on the disabled

    There’s always been a concern that Blair could be a puppet master behind the scenes if labour got in but an effective puppet master does so from the shadows - but Blair is just running his mouth and honestly one of starmers cabinet needs to public ally remind Blair of his irrelevance (and that he’s publicly hated by much of the public)

    But to your actual question

    I think that there’s no escaping that ai usage is going to grow massively across all sectors over the next decade. However (and I know this is silly fictional logic on my part) when anyone mentions ai I keep thinking “did no one learn anything from the terminator movies!”.

    I think that the current rate that ai is growing is scary and that ai can’t replicate basic humanity

    Ai is causing havoc in many industries already and the post office horizon situation should be enough of a reason not to run headfirst in letting ai help make human level decision


    I personally believe ai has no place being heavily used to make decisions on welfare for societies most vulnerable and should be used very very sparingly in the dwp (Blair’s viewpoint is quite frankly dangerous)

    And if ai is that great and going to replace so many jobs down the line then surely some of that can be used by the gov to part fund things like universal basic income? (That’s a bit of a silly theory on my part - I’m no expert on ai but I’ve seen the potential havoc it’s already causing in some creative and media job sectors and it’s already devaluing certain humans skills such as creating orignal art and mirroring an actors voice, etc…)

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 630 Pioneering
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     I wrote this to Tonawanda17 in a post under bank statements earlier today when she asked Poppy her opinion on the document.

    This document, released just yesterday, outlines an initiative that sets a policy agenda for governing in the age of AI. The proposed changes to the DWP will utilise the unique database from the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change (TBI).

    The DWP has two major goals for the upcoming year. First, it aims to eliminate all benefit backlogs, ensuring that no one has to wait for the support they need. Second, it aims to work with other government departments to boost the economy and lower the long-term cost of benefits. They plan to achieve this by quickly spotting mistakes and fraud, using AI to create and monitor better policies, and sharing new tools and information across the government. By doing this, the DWP hopes to show that AI can modernise large, complex departments, set a standard for others, and help design programs that address the real causes of need.

    Additionally, the DWP aims to create a "digital employment assistant" accessible to everyone. This AI-powered tool will provide personalised job advice, connect individuals with virtual career clinics, and match them with suitable jobs or training programs.

    By using AI to streamline processes and make more informed decisions, the DWP can ensure resources are utilised effectively, maximising the value of taxpayer money.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 630 Pioneering
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    My previous post is reference to this link, https://www.institute.global/insights/politics-and-governance/reimagining-uk-department-for-work-and-pensions that @Tonawanda17 posted under bank statements.

    It is important to note that my post above represents proposed changes by the DWP and not formal government proposals.

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Community member Posts: 150 Courageous
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    Hi MW123. Thanks for replying. They would be proposals at the moment but labour are mentioning an a.i bill. Thanks

  • Jimm_Scope
    Jimm_Scope Posts: 3,610 Disability Gamechanger
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    Very interesting @MW123, I'll need to read up more about this! We will need to see what Labour does. I know Sunak said he wasn't going to regulate AI use from what I remember. I do hope Labour decide there should be some regulations though.

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 630 Pioneering
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    Perhaps we will hear more about it in next week's King's Speech.

    I believe there is a critical need for stringent regulations to govern AI use, ensuring transparency, accountability, and ethical considerations in its development and deployment.

    I firmly believe that individuals must retain sovereignty over their own information, especially given the increasingly sophisticated AI algorithms that could potentially misuse personal data. Regulations are necessary to safeguard personal privacy and ensure that artificial intelligence is not misused or exploited to harm individuals or undermine their rights.

    Furthermore, the unchecked use of AI in government sectors could lead to biased decision-making, discrimination, and erosion of public trust. Regulations can help mitigate these risks by establishing clear guidelines for the ethical use of AI, ensuring that it serves the public good rather than undermining it

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