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Thankyou Kimmy
She is currently in education which will end around June..
When would she need to start the wca process? Guessing she can't yet as I'm still receiving the disabled child payments for her so does she need to wait until June?
Thanks again
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She would need to apply for UC after she finishes her education and when you no longer receive the child related payments for her.
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Once she finishes full time education you will need to report the changes to UC at that time. When your final payment in your UC will be will depend on the date you usually receive your money each month and the date she's due to end full time education.
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So would all payments to me for my daughter stop in June when she leaves education or does it continue until her 20th birthday which is September?
Thankyou
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They will stop once she leaves full time education. The exact date of your last payments for her will depend on the date you usually receive your UC payments and what date she's due to leave education.
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I believe the payments stop once she leaves education.
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Thankyou both of you.
Is it a long process for new claims of universal credit/wca? Just concerned how long will take as all my child payments will have ended when she's out of education.
Can my daughter apply for universal credits/wca before my payments have ended for her?
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No she will have to wait until your child payments have ended to apply for UC.
She should report a health condition when she claims and start providing Fit Notes asap.
Her work coach should refer her for a WCA after day 29 of the claim.
How long the whole process takes will depend on the assessment provider. Some get through it quickly and aren't owed any money (LCWRA has a waiting period of three full assessment periods), others are owed several months backpay due to the time taken.
Lots of households struggle with the financial transition from dependant children to non dependant adults.
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What is the difference between wca and lcwra?
When she applied for the standard universal credits is that a quick process? Is it the wca or lcwra which is the long process?
My daughter is autistic, she works but only 3 hours a day, she only manages this as it's cleaning early morning ls so doesn't come into contact with many people as she struggles with large groups etc
Will the doctor write her fir notes if she's working though?
All very confusing. Thanks very much again
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WCA is Work Capability assessment and to start that process of she will need to report her health condition and provide a fit note when she does claim UC.
Once she's referred she will receive the UC50 form in the post which will need to be filled in and returned. Once a decision is made on that it could either be LCW or LCWRA or even fit for work.
LCW would mean no extra money each money and she may have commitments to attend appointments.
LCWRA means she would be entitled to extra money from the 4th month after she provided her first fit note. She would not have any commitments so would not need to attend appointments or look for work.
Once a claim is submitted for UC for her then her first payment will be about 5 weeks later. As she's under 25 then she will be entitled to £311.68/month. As she lives with you at home she will not be able to claim for help with any rent.
You can have a read of this link which may help with information when claiming UC with a health condition.
If she continues to work when she claims UC her earnings will be treated as income and reduce her UC by 55p for every £1 of earnings she receives each month.
Once a decision is made on her work capability assessment if found to have LCW or LCWRA she will also have the work allowance. This would mean that some of the earnings she receives each month are ignored before deductions apply. At the moment the work allowance is £673/month for someone that doesn't claim for help with the rent. This will increase when benefits increase from around April.
Please note that those figures are the current rates, they will increase very slightly from April this year.
A fit note doesn't need to state that you're unable to work at all. It can just say that less hours are advised.
The WCA process could take anything up to 6 months, sometimes longer.
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That's great, thanks for all your help.
As my daughter won't get any help towards the rent, does that mean my universal credits will increase? As obviously my income will be alot lower when all the child payments stop
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Work Capability Assessment
This has three outcomes:
Fit for work
Limited Capability for Work (LCW), no extra money payable.
Limited Capability for Work-Related Activity (LCWRA), extra money payable.
LCW & LCWRA both have a work allowance, which means the amount of earnings ignored before deductions are made. For your daughter they would ignore the first £673.
When she claims UC after 5 weeks she'll receive her first payment.
I didn't realise she worked so entitlement without LCWRA might be quite low.
The standard allowance for her age is £311.68, and that will reduce by 55p for every £1 she earns.
You can put her details into a benefits calculator (as if she wasn't on your claim) to estimate any initial entitlement.
It's the WCA process that can take time.
People do work and get LCWRA.
Fit Notes aren't only issued when you can't work at all, they could put part time work only for example and it would still be a valid Fit Note.
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Unfortunately your UC entitlement will not increase. You would need to come to an arrangement with your daughter as to how much she will contribute financially to the household, as she changes from a dependent child to non dependant adult.
She has PIP, wages and later possibly UCA to fund that contribution.
And/or, if you currently fund things for her she can take over paying for personal wants etc.
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Thanks Kimmy.
Would it go in my daughter ms favour for receiving lcwra as I currently get the disabled child payments for her aswell as carers element, Which obviously I wouldn't be receiving if I hadn't of supplied sufficient evidence of her disability?
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With your daughters own WCA under UC, neither her PIP or what you were receiving/do recieve for her count towards her eligibility or in her favour.
These are the criteria for LCWRA.
If a claimant cannot do an activity repeatedly, reliably, safely or in a reasonable time frame, then they are treated as unable to do the activity at all.
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If she's found to have LCWRA after the work capability assessment the extra money will be in with her UC, not yours. Once she claims UC in her own right, it will be her claim, which is separate to your claim.
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Once she leaves full time education yes your income will be lower because she's no longer treated as a dependant. Everyone that has children and claims benefits for them has to go through the process of living off less money when their children become adults.
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Hi Kimmy..yes I'm aware the UC payments will be in my daughter ms name, I'm just asking how it'll all work on her behalf and also how it'll affect me financially.
Just confused why my UC payments won't increase when my income becomes lower as I'm currently off work due to a Crohn's flare up and recieving SSP so during this time my UC payments have increased so thought would be the same when my income decreases when my daughter is no longer classed as a dependent that my UC payments would increase.
Thanks again to you both
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The carers element and standard allowance are maximum amounts, you are already receiving those amounts so there is nothing to increase once a dependent child comes off your claim.
Parents with children get extra money.
People without dependent children (either childless or offspring 19+) are entitled to the same basic rates of UC.
Does that make any sense?
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When your daughter leave education your UC maximum entitlement will decrease because you will no longer be claiming any extra money for her.
Why do you think your UC will increase when she leaves school?
When you were actually working you would have been entitled to the work allowance because of your earnings. When you stopped working and started receiving SSP, which is treated as earnings it meant that your UC increased because your earnings were less.
It's completely different when a young person leaves full time education and benefits for them stop. The child element and disabled child element for your child will end so your UC will reduce by that amount.
If you return to work at any point once your child element is ended and you have no other children on your claim you would not be entitled to the work allowance, unless you've been through the work capability assessment yourself and been found to have either LCW or LCWRA.
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