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Rent and uc migration

peters77

quick query about the 3 week period housing benefit stops

if I pay for that myself will my first uc payment be minus that amount ? Or will I get the full amount.

I don’t want to ask for an advanced payment If possible.

I was thinking of using a credit card and then paying it back once I get the first payment

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OverlyAnxious

Hi,

As you're renting from social housing, it's probably best to ask them how they prefer the migration to be handled. They may accept the wait until the first payment comes through.

If you're not asking for the rent to be paid directly to the landlord then you will get the full amount of UC. It does not make any difference to UC whether you chose to pay for the intermediate rent or not.

Kimi87

What my local council does is wait for the first UC payment, then the tenant sets up a payment plan with them (council), to pay a little off the 3 weeks arrears each week, until the balance is zero.

peters77

ok sounds like I had better ask them directly.

when do you ask UC to pay social housing landlord directly ?

Kimi87

You can leave a note on your Journal requesting this at any time.

peters77

do you have to give any reasons or is this entirely up to you if you would prefer they pay directly ?

Seems to make sense and would get to the housing association directly rather than going through me and make sure I don’t accidentally spend rent money. Then I know what’s in my account is for food bills etc

Kimi87

I don't believe you have to give a reason.

peters77

So I had a conversation with the housing team today and they said from the date of submitting my claim there is a 2 week run on with housing benefit and two weeks from that date they expect payment in full every week until payment from UC is received and said if UC take longer than 5 weeks its your problem not ours and rent is due and we expect it. The lady said 5 weeks is a timeline and they are seeing people waiting longer and ending up in deep arears. Lovely.

Wasn't particularly nice about it. pffft. It was a pay your rent or else kind of attitude. Bit harsh but ok.

I guess I got my answer.

peters77

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/972349#Comment_972349

So if I ask for the rent to be paid directly will it only pay whats due and not what I've paid leaving me 3 weeks rent out of pocket ?

Or would it be best to let them pay me and then I pay the housing then request them to pay my housing directly ?

poppy123456

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/972981#Comment_972981

When you receive your UC payment each month it will be for 1 months money because UC is paid 1 month in arrears. This includes your first months payment, it will be for 1 months money.

If you ask them to pay your landlord directly it will be paid once a month and your usual UC payment date.

As advised you will not be 3 weeks out of pocket.

Whatever you choose to do it is your choice.

peters77

Hi Poppy

so if I ask them to pay directly to the landlord or not I will receive the full amount ?

Have a lovely weekend!

poppy123456

The housing element will be the same whether it's paid to you or straight to your landlord.

peters77

ahh great I thought they may ask the balance and only pay the remaining if I paid 3 weeks upfront.

poppy123456

No because you still have a liability to pay rent. The 2 week run on for housing benefit does not affect your UC entitlement and you will still be entitled to the 1 months housing element.

peters77

I've emailed the council tax department to ask do I need to make a new claim or what I need to do but they sent an automated message back saying to are basically inundated and will be in touch in due course.

Do you know if I would need to make a new council tax claim or if UC update them and they re-assess from there.

Thankfully I have nearly come to the end of the migration forms and will submit it tomorrow!

Once submitted I read somewhere here should write a note on this journal to something about coming over from the support group and I guess asking them to pay rent directly is that still correct?

Not sure if there is anything else I need to do after submitting. Other than wait for the ID request which I decided on a biographical call instead is that something once they request it I have to respond to on the journal to ask for ?

thanks as ever

poppy123456

You don’t need to make a new claim for council tax reduction because you already receive it. It will be recalculated based on your UC award.

Yes, put a message onto your journal to tell them you’re in the Support Group. It will take a few weeks for your details to be passed across.

peters77

I've read people get sent a message and commitments and saying you have to send in sick notes.

What do you do in the situation presently ?

poppy123456

You do not need to provide fit notes.

Kimi87

You accept the commitments and ignore any request for a Fit Note.

Once your ESA status is confirmed, your commitments will change and any Fit Note request will disappear.

peters77

How soon after submitting do they request ID ?

poppy123456

If ID can't be confirmed when you claim then you will be contacted for an appointment, usually within a few days.