March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)
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I hope you don't mind me copying and pasting this onto Benefits & Work page Keira.
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No problem
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Basically they're abolishing the LCWRA element of Universal Credit.
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Thank u Keira.
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Does it say that anywhere?
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Why is no one else other than ITV reporting this?
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Agreed - a reputable source but no fine detail. Expect furore from back benchers as 26 March looms.
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An exclusive from them but no fine detail yet. Expect furore from back benchers as 26 March looms.
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GBN have been banging on about it.
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It does not say they are abolishing lcwra element it states they will be reducing the amount
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If they're going to raise incentives to look for work whilst cutting the benefit for those out of work to me that means they're going to abolish the LCWRA or alter it to a level which makes it hard to sustain yourself.
Isn't the basic rate of Universal Credit for Jobseekers the same as LCW (Limited Capability for Work)? It was the case when I was on LCW. On LCW you had to engage with the Work Coach be it once every month or every couple of weeks.
So if you legitimately can't work you're going to get penalised financially, in their world that means it will be an incentive to recover to find work. How on earth will this fly legally? I don't think Labour cares and Kendall has waited the last 10 years to do this.
What if you are permanently disabled? I had a feeling Labour would go this far but to see it makes me sick and for Labour to tell the media BEFORE the green paper has been released shows what kind of people they are.
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Is this a leak of what might be in the green paper?
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No - this sounds like a leak of what will be announced in the Budget - that is, the immediate short term savings that are needed.
The Green Paper will set out ideas for the long term future of out of work ill health benefits and PIP.
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how far are they intending on going with these cuts to LCWRA as it won’t change my inability to work if they force me into poverty and PIP is already too hard to get with people going without the help they need. It’s unforgivable that they’re planning on making a conservative system being UC and PIP, even harsher on those who are the most vulnerable. Will they be able to do this without backlash from the ECHR, the UN and the backbenchers? Starmer has put the nails in his own coffin as a one term prime minister.
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It seems like madness trying to attract voters who would never vote for you by pushing away the ones who would & did. Voted labour since i could vote won't be voting for them anymore
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I am fairly sure changes to rates and removal of pip need primary legislation changes and none of that is immediate.
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Me too I’ve always voted labour unfortunately I even voted Starmer in as labour leader when I was a member. Never again. I didn’t expect him to become the man he is today when he sat next to Corbyn as a member of his cabinet and spoke on reducing poverty. Now they’re threatening to push me into poverty by reducing my LCWRA to the point I can no longer feed myself or have hot water, it wont incentivise me into work it’ll incentivise me into a mental health crisis. If people can’t work, they can’t work. They should all feel deeply ashamed of themselves and I should hope they face fierce opposition from their own party, from scope, and from human rights organisations
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It sounds absolutely outrageous, like it's such a brazen attack on the sick and disabled I can barely believe it. Even the stuff about trying to encourage people to get back to work, how does freezing PIP tie in with that exactly? That's just an attack on the disabled pure and simple. There needs to be major opposition to this. The whole point to people who aren't fit to work getting a higher rate of Universal Credit is because they aren't fit to work, they don't suddenly become fit to work because you give them less.
Even if you take the drive to get people back to work as genuine, it completely ignores the other side of the equation of this, that businesses don't want to hire disabled/sick people who are unable to attend the work place, prone to having more days off sick etc. If you don't incentivise them to do so, there's no way there's the jobs for all these people that can be done from the comfort of their homes to their individual needs, and it's unrealistic to expect business to understand how someone's health condition will impact their work.
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As I've posted before:
They can't fast track the legal process.
They were able to change the Winter fuel payment criteria so quickly because it was a government perk, not protected by legislation.
Green Paper: These are our plans, what do you think.
Consultation and feedback.
Then they release a White Paper.
White Paper: These are our proposals
Then the long legal process, going through both houses of parliament, delayed by any court challenges, amendments proposed by the House of Lords.
Then they finally become law.
The whole process takes years, and what eventually becomes law is usually a watered down version of the Green paper.
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So what has been said on ITV tonight won't happen immediately? It's just a green paper? She can't pull something out of the bag and say its coming in soon or anything?
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