Any update regarding ESA/JSA
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I don’t think benefits should be a race to the bottom.
And I don’t think anyone who becomes disabled through their work life or born disabled should have less pension when they are 67 because of that disability.
That’s what will happen to those losing ESA CB.
Not only that, the green paper is misleading regarding this change. Which makes it unlawful.
If the system and people around it support support such a system that encourages people to leave in extreme poverty, at the expense of a state that can’t provide care, health, food not housing it’s disgraceful and for anyone that supports that idea too.
People should live in dignity.
This should be a race for a life lived with dignity and we live in a country that can provide that for everybody
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I agree.
Not only did I work full time but I also did overtime shifts to pay my way and as a single parent to support my daughter with no support from her father.
I should not be penalised for having done that.
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You are 100% entitled to forward your opinion.
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100% in favour of UBI, particularly as more people are losing one stable employment.There are various models. I'm uncertain which would work best in Britain.
Edit: I mentioned this in my communications to parliamentarians with reference to the most very disabled who will never be capable of work or who will never work again.
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I do agree that the green er is misleading regarding this change, as stated above (how do I copy and paste pls anyone?)..
It has gone pretty much unreported considering it is another nail in the coffin for non means tested social security (following on from winter fuel allowance, this being the end of sickness/incapacity benefit.
So, in that respect, the state pension IS relevant in this discussion, as that is next in line. Chip chip chip…
I don’t personally mind my savings going before state pension age, but thinking about it, I don’t think there will be a universal state pension in ten years time. I am resigned to living off the skin of my bottom in my later years, as I mostly have done so far. Quite good at it now,and some of my best years have been skint ones.
I don’t like the really wealthy wealthy people of this country keeping it all to themselves and justifying it with gaslighting, hypocrisy, etc. Greed. I guess it’s their souls though. I’m far from perfect and need to do a lot of improving, but really want to preserve and better hat soul I have left in this dog eat dog environment…Anyway, nice that opinions can be voiced freely here. All interesting views and experiences you have
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See this article on how Uk compares to other countries regarding disability benefits, welfare (which includes pensions) expenditure, we are in the middle:
UK pension is laughable compared to other countries in Europe. It’s just pittance
Any idea of not having pension in the future is silly.
The people at the top want you to think that, as well as our expense on sickness is ballooning.
Now there are articles written about further suggested job cuts.
Who writes those articles? What idea behind it?
Austerity doesn’t work. The super rich don’t want you to touch their wealth that’s why this narrative is being pushed through. And everyone is falling for it. Disheartening how fool we have become
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I feel we have paid our taxes through work, therefore we should get something back whether you have savings or not. You could say why should someone who has never paid any taxes get benefits. I feel it no longer pays to save your money if you work, enjoy yourself with it then you can claim benefits if you need it.
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100% agree with you @sunshine1981. Hopefully we will get more clarification in the coming days/weeks from the government re Contribution ESA.
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lots of figures, I’m not good with analysis of charts, I need it to be explained. Didn’t really make a joined up explanation? I heard somewhere that Denmark etc have an insurance system and pay a lot towards it. Also Germany has great healthcare but pay high for it.
I don’t know…are they just taking everything out? The wealthy. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Just have to enjoy what is free, try and move away from constant surveillance. Countryside if you can.
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also in other European countries if you’ve become too ill to work, and won’t be able to do so in the future, you are entitled to a significant life time pension till your death. That’s much more than a few hundred quid a month, more like a few thousand a month depending on your contributions.
Regardless of savings etc
IMO that’s the way to look at it.
I hope these charities that fight in the name of the disabled community take this into account and legally fight to abolish this unemployment insurance.These charities want changes and higher benefits for everyone in need. However very little or no mention of this new proposal insurance employment from them.
This benefit ESA CB it’s something that we already have, it would be a major blow for our welfare state to lose it.
Finally, having seen the inner workings, corruption of work Unions (which was a big blow for me), I have to question these charities including Scope.
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it’s been buried in there, for sure
Same as loss of substantial risk
Overshadowed by other proposals that are outrageous and will hopefully get stopped…
Same as impact statement, that’ll be underreported tomorrow.
Oh well, we live another day, blessings for that! 🙂
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Morning everyone. I just wanted to say thank you. It's really nice to see how people are feeling safe to share their view, and all are supporting and respectful, even with a different opinion. Honestly, what an amazing community of people. 💜
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Does anyone know if reassessments include New style ESA support group?
When will they start if it does?
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What does this all mean for people who are in the income related esa support group and waiting to migrate over to universal credit. Om so confused
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This thread is to do with the conflation of contribution-based ESA and JSA into a time-limited Unemployment Insurance benefit.
It is not something people claiming IR-ESA have to worry about. You have been hit in different ways.
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Is there an impact analysis of this proposed reform?
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Has anyone heard back from an MP, peer, etc about this almost forgotten part of the Green Paper?
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I've heard something from my MP.
My MP is concerned and has tabled an early day motion that calls for a full consultation before any votes go ahead.
In the case of people who genuinely can't work they will not have to go through reassessment this likely means the transition to a new system but the details on that are still not clear.
With regards to NI contributions with the New style ESA support group, there are clear indicators there would be no NI contributions but he must stress that is not certain yet and things can change.
What will remain is that UC will not be available to those who have savings to draw upon first.
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It's already the case that UC is limited to people with under £16000. Like others here I'm not eligible for UC. Thus, I claim CB-ESA. If this particular but scarcely discussed proposal goes ahead we lose most of our income. I already have a much smaller income than many UC claimants.
Thank you for sharing your MPs response.
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I agree and I've also told him this but I think it's all about them saving money not about helping the disabled into work or supporting us. This will affect most people who work in the future which means less and less people will be able to claim any benefit at all if they become unable to work and have savings. So there moto, it pays to work, is not really the case because you get no support from the government long term but if you have no savings or don't work you get all the help.
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