New Green Paper Discussion - now includes accessible formats and consultation event sign up links!
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Not everyone knows what are meant by abbreviations.
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Yes I know but as I said when people use abbreviations not everyone knows what they mean.
I find it happens a lot on this forum.
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Hi noonebelieves, glad you took yourself over there. my linking skills seem to have taken a nosedive 😁
B&W have helped me so much, I reached out to them roughly 12 years ago and their help was impressive. The guides are a must have, for all that can of course afford the yearly membership of around £20. After joining you do get a reduction after so long, I only pay £11 a year now as they give discount codes, they really do try to keep the cost to the subscriber to a minimum. The relevant and up to date info plus the guides are highly recommended. I like that they have volunteers who have worked in the field for years who when you post a question will help with your individual circumstances or if they cant they will point you in a direction you could perhaps try. I know I am praising them a lot here but I only ever give praise where praise is due.
I agree that not being able to find past posts on SCOPE is a bit of a pain, scrolling through pages and pages of posts trying to remember where we posted can be irksome at times but that's just a tiny niggle, I like the community here but the times I can post is limited by my illness.
I hope folk fill in that questionnaire if they are able, the results could give a good indication of the financial implications of the ''Pathways to work'' nonsense and provide a reasonable ''impact statement''.
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I think you are misunderstanding the OBR’s role here. They don’t have any control or influence over government policies or welfare cuts, nor have they pressured Rachel Reeves into continuing benefit cuts. The OBR has no policy influence, it does not propose, endorse, or oppose policies like benefit cuts. Its role is strictly to assess the financial viability of policies that the government submits to them for analysis.
Labour asked the OBR to evaluate the savings they anticipated from their proposed welfare cuts. The OBR did just that and warned that these cuts would not achieve the predicted savings, would push thousands into poverty, and would not create jobs.
Despite these warnings, the government has chosen to proceed with the proposals. The responsibility for these devastating cuts lies solely with the government. The OBR has fulfilled its role by issuing serious warnings about the government’s inability to achieve the desired savings and the potential harm these cruel cuts will cause to the long term sick and disabled.
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@secretsquirrel1 , I agree with you about the justice journal video. I've stopped watching her , she made me feel really down . You're right she made no sense .
Just because she is an ex dwp employee doesn't make her an expert , so I am not watching her now .
I watch the dynamic duo video's , I'm still looking for better though , I am confused without being even more confused 😄
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I watched her live the other day . She claimed that anyone who thinks they’re not going to have payments cut are wrong as it’s happening already. She then used an example from her comments. After scaring ppl she told them that it looks like dwp hadn’t given him TP by mistake. Any problem join her new community where she has solicitors etc ( didn’t mention the fee though). Then she spoke of 4 points for lcwra and 4?points for pip . In the comments someone asked if that meant two 4 point descriptors plus other comments. She just liked the comment as she couldn’t answer it but it made it look as though it’s true. I’ve asked scope to clarify the 4 point rule on here and they havent replied either.
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didn’t the OBR claim the cuts made wouldn’t be £5b as claimed so reeves then made more cuts to make up for it ? Plus I’ve read that the cuts actually amount to £10b.
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OOh Thankyou norm is my biggest fan for some reason always saying nice comments I just ignore now
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I have been notified by Disabled People Against Cuts of a new petition to sign on UK Government and Parliament' website to Protect Disabled People Who Cannot Work from Planned Cuts to Benefits.
PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE!! 👍😊
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The £10 billion savings target you have mentioned includes £4.8 billion in welfare cuts, with the remaining £5.2 billion coming from areas like department budgets, which haven’t been independently verified as yet.
The OBR independently assessed Labour’s welfare reforms, projecting savings of £3.4 billion, well below the £5 billion the government had aimed for. Importantly, the OBR’s report was not a directive for further cuts but a neutral fiscal assessment highlighting the shortfall. Essentially, their findings showed Rachel couldn’t add up, worrying, isn’t it?
When Rachel realised her initial calculations were way off, the government had the option to abandon the welfare cuts and look for savings elsewhere. Instead, they chose to deepen them, including freezing Universal Credit’s health element, pushing the savings to £4.8 billion. This decision wasn’t mandated or dictated by the OBR. They had done their job checking Rachel’s maths homework, this was a political choice made after recognising their initial calculations on savings were wrong.
Rachel prioritised adhering to her party’s fiscal rules, such as debt reduction, over exploring alternative revenue-raising measures. She could have raised wealth taxes but chose to look for savings in the welfare budget again.
Ultimately, the government made a deliberate choice to deepen welfare cuts rather than explore fairer alternatives, and they alone bear responsibility for the lasting consequences these decisions will have on people's lives.
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Ive just watched something on YouTube called the justice journal.... It's a women who worked for the DWP and sued them for discrimination and won ........ I don't know if anyone else has seen it , but she paints a very different picture to how I've understood all these changes , I'll go through how I understood it and then I'll go through what she said , I'd like to hear your thoughts on this as maybe I got it wrong 🤷
My thoughts are ....
March 2026 , new claims for LCWRA are cut and frozen , existing claims just frozen ....
Anyone who is in receipt of LCWRA before April 2026 and has a standard reassessment before or after said date and is still found to have LCWRA and is not moved to lcw or found fit to work remains in LCWRA and is under the standard reassessment until 2028 when the wca is abolished....
November 2026 , The new PIP criteria takes over from the old PIP criteria ( 4 points daily living plus 8 across the board to qualify ) , for new PIP claiments , existing PIP claiments that are due a reassessment and existing claiments that receive a mix of both PIP and LCWRA that are due a reassessment....
Then in 2028 wca gets abolished and pip takes over for everyone 🤷
Now this womens thoughts differ a bit in what she is saying
Now there's alot of people in my situation that are on a mix of CBESA) / NSESA + LCWRA but WITHOUT PIP .... She is claiming that everyone that has a reassessment after November 2026 will be assessed through the new criteria PIP assessment , and I'm not sure that's right 🤔
She also claims we will all be expected to look for work even if we somehow manage to pass the new pip assessment and get the health element....
She then states that even if we get the new health element we will be 200 pounds a month worse off than we are now on LCWRA....
I don't want to be unkind in anyway as ....
- Maybe I'm wrong and she's right
2. Or two she's only trying to help
But it did come across a little scaremongery ....
Could my scope mates give me there thoughts on this as it's thrown me a bit and like I say if I'm wrong and she's right I'd like to know , cheers 👍🏻
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Hi Sarah, if you can, try Benefits and Work. I believe they are one of the best out there for information, always up to date and very reliable.
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I really hope they’re found unlawful in the courts . I know people keep saying it’s going through parliament so courts can’t intervene on parliament law but we still have rights under the equality act and the ECHR should protect us . The government are not going to change their mind unless forced to either by being voted down or being found unlawful, imo .
They’re truly awful and incompetent.
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I agree, confusing. She seems ok as a person, I know some find her a little dominating. I was very muddled to be honest by her comments, I think she has maybe added to the confusion. Personally, I wont be watching again as she didn't answer in her video any of the questions folk were asking about the 4 point rule and PIP. She stated her video was meant to give clarity however, she didn't actually answer that question and instead she talked about the April 7th Spring statement - NEW PIP CRITERIA for Disability Reform paper.
Oh and you only need 4 points in any one descriptor in the daily living section of PIP then the rest can be made up of points from the other descriptors to get you the 8 points needed for a standard award. I cant see anywhere where you need 12 points so 4+8 to get an award for PIP unless anyone else knows different.
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You’re doing so well, Great efforts @Catherine21!
Don’t worry if we don’t get a reply. We will have evidence to show when the time comes how they’ve been blocking doors when we’ve tried to approach. We have the upper hand!
Pls Go take a look at the Scope’s MP thread – there are some empowering outcomes we’ve achieved by supporting each other and spreading the campaign to oppose the government’s discriminatory proposal. @jul1aorways has also shared a powerful MP template and a new petition on the official parliamentary petition page. It’s worth spending some time on that thread too, and there are a significant number of signatures in our Scope campaigns –heading towards 100,000 👏👏Stay motivated, and let’s continue supporting and empowering each other through this!✌️
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Great tips @mrsBB!
I agree…..We have to try anything and everything at our disposal to turn this around. The time between now and June is so crucial – as someone in our thread stated, we need to flood the consultation mailbox, the MP mailbox, and sign every campaign petition and open letter.
Please also keep an eye on Scope’s main official threads(MP), as there are several campaigns, petitions, and MP letter templates floating around. I mentioned this in my post to our member @catherine12 too.
Best wishes!✌️0 -
It truly feels like you’ve read my mind—I completely agree with everything you’ve said. These non-accessible public consultations are definitely just a tick-box exercise by the government, likely intended as a form of legal cover.
“Seems like winning the lottery might be easier.” -That really made me giggle!
I’ve already raised concerns regarding these public consultation events in an email to my MP. But as you said, many of the key issues I would’ve liked to discuss aren’t even included in these so-called consultations. So, I’m not holding out much hope for them. Instead, I’d rather now focus on directly opposing the proposals through the consultation itself, because the core issues we’re facing are very clear.There are also some really interesting discussions in the other official Scope threads around campaigns, petitions, and MP letter templates-it’s definitely worth checking those out too.
Best wishes, and have a great day!
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I agree bbc wasn't happen millions of people cancelled thier license to right they been getting billions for years for what eastenders
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Maybe she resented her family how dare she use that as a trump card to get more votes she likes the smell of money I bet her mums ashamed I would be
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Why don't she go for a ride on that rollercoaster she's delighted by because they sure put us through one 24/7 wouldn't surprise me if they opened a factory for us all to work in best not give them ideas sickening when you have to hear the lies she has spoken to no one
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