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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    sarah, this has very little to do with Starmer. This has been in the planning long before he became an MP.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    but he’s the PM now . He can’t blame the Tory’s or anyone else though of course he tries to . He could have scrapped uc and the pip reforms day one but instead fought to keep the reforms in court . Had Tory’s won I don’t think we’d be in this mess now , not this badly anyway.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    Then you have no idea. UC cannot be scrapped.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    why can’t it ? We could of stopped migration and gone back to legacy benefits

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing
    edited April 25

    UC migration was scaled up last May - nothing to do with Labour. The 10,000 cap was to be removed through 2022 amended migration regulations.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    well if he has no power he’s as good as useless and even worse for lying to gain power

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing
    edited April 25

    secretsquirrel, the Tories spent 14 years blaming Labour for the mess we are in and will be in for a long time!

    Have you forgotten what has happened in the last 14 years???

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing

    Please sign.

    https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/stop-the-cuts

    Amnesty International UK

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    I didn’t feel this bad when the Tory’s were in power I know that much . Yes there was the fear of losing pip but we’d usually have esa to help pay our bills as we went to tribunal. With this you fail the pip assessment you lose everything. And now the assessment it set up to fail us . Standard care will be practically gone and even some on highest care like myself will not be eligible. Then sanctioned when we can’t work. Of course starmer could stop this , he doesn’t want to . He doesn’t care but anyone in this country. Being PM is a stepping stone to greater things. Maybe he doesn’t even want a second term . Who he’d think his voter base is now god knows IMO

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    Thankyou so much for the kind response and taking the time to post info and phone numbers.

    I really do appreciate it.

    I'm feeling a little bit calmer this evening.....sometimes the stress of it all hits me like a bloody train. As Im sure it does all of us.

    Everyone Is so kind on this forum.

    Again ...thankyou. xxxxx

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 48 Contributor

    Never mind the last 14 years, it's the last 2 months under Labour that will prove worse for millions of us than the Tories were! And some of your posts today sound like you're apologising for Starmer's toxic Labour.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    It's impossible to ignore those 14 years. You can pretend but the damage is done and inequality will continue to grow.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    "Then sanctioned when we can’t work."

    The sanctions regime for JSA came in with the Welfare Reform Act 2012 ready for UC in April 2013.

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 48 Contributor

    Then for that matter, don't stop at 14. What about 16 years ago when Labour robbed us all to bail out their banking chums? That was the actual start of the rot.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing
    edited April 26

    Ok. It's Starmer's fault. Not. What about Iain Duncan Smith - the architect of welfare reforms - for PM so he can fix it for us again?

    He got Brexit done. He knows all about the broken benefits system. The man is a genius!

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,042 Championing

    it doesn’t matter when it was thought up or introduced. Starmer could stop it now. Starmer continued to fight for the Tory green paper in court . According to Ellen Clifford they fought the case hard. And they’ve come back with even harder cuts than the Tory’s . It’s not because of a black hole or defence , it’s because this is what they planned to do while in opposition.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing

    Yes, the Cabinet ministers who collaborated with IDS in 2011, 2012 and 2015 to pull the wool over our eyes couldn't risk the Tory plans not going ahead and being found out before UC swallows up legacy benefits..

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing
    edited April 26

    Does he know exactly how they did it? I'm willing to believe he has been wrongly briefed by colleagues and advisors since becoming an MP in 2015.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,385 Championing
    edited April 26

    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 242 EmpoweringApril 25

    His staring eyes and blank expression .

    "His staring eyes and blank expression ."

    I think 25 years in the military might give you staring eyes and a blank expression.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 705 Championing
    edited April 26

    @WhatThe
    I really appreciate you sharing your insights and experiences-your knowledge over the past 14 years has added valuable context to this and on many other threads. It’s important we remember where we’ve come from.

    That said, we’re now facing a critical and rapidly evolving situation with the upcoming parliamentary vote on the Pathways to Work green paper in June. Many of us are holding onto HOPE that our collective voices-through campaigns,petitions, lobbying MPs, and raising awareness across various social media-can bring the scrutiny and resistance this proposal urgently needs.It’s getting clear many MPs seem more focused on protecting their seats, privileges, and six-figure salaries than upholding the rights and dignity of disabled people. That’s exactly why now is the time to apply pressure from every angle-relentlessly and strategically.

    Given how high the stakes are, with so many disabled people potentially facing devastating consequences like poverty, destitution, or worse, I believe now is the time to channel our energy, frustration, and lived experience into strategic action. Together, united in the present, we are stronger-and we can still make a difference.

    Let’s move forward with that focus and urgency.

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