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10 years award in 2017

tealhoneydew16

hello all I'm looking for a bit of advice with the changes announced recently….

Awarded 10 year 2017 after visiting a face to face appointment from moving to PIP from DLA awarded enhanced both care and mobility for ongoing period what happens when the 10 years comes to end, just so long since all this started up and just migrated to UC from ESA and housing benefit any ad ice would be very very greatful as to what I need to prepare for…… having no contact from PIP only change of address thank you all in advance

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durhamjaide2001

thats excellent news congratulations

tealhoneydew16

thank you! this was awarded 2017 10 years ongoing payment due 2027 so I'm looking to get some advice what to prepare for when the time comes as in forms etc…..

durhamjaide2001

you have ages away yet I wouldn't advise thinking about it now

tealhoneydew16

It's not really ages away I'm thinking this year or next year for review which is what my question is from anyone who can please give some advice for this, I am thinking about it now because it's nearly ending and it's been since 2017…

Kimi87

The announced changes are at this point essentially a Government wish list.

What eventually becomes legislation is usually a watered down version of said wish list.

My advice is to tune it all out until the changes are set in stone, then worry and do what is needed to prepare.

Your review should be started around a year before your end date (unless they've made subsequent progress to reduce the time it takes).

tealhoneydew16

thank you kimi, would my review be sent by a form before the end date thank you for your help very appreciated!

Kimi87

Post edited with additional information.

tealhoneydew16

thank you again kimi for advice much appreciated

Girl_No1

If it were me with a review in 2027, I'd be looking at my previous application and award report. I'd first be looking at how many fours(or more) I'd scored and honestly assessing whether there had been any changes in those areas. If things have deteriorated make sure you take notes of how the deterioration has affected you. Then I'd consider any elements for which I'd scored less than four and evaluate and take notes on those too.

The major issue for everyone is the lack of clarity around if/when the "marking guidelines" issued to assessors will change, and what those potential changes mean for us as individuals.

We're all groping around in the dark at the moment.

But keeping on top of how we're affected by our conditions will be key to any review - particularly as we're so used to our limitations and difficulties we can often minimise them or not even recognise or record them.

Good luck x

tealhoneydew16

thank you so much that's great advice much appreciated!

tealhoneydew16

sorry can I ask where I would see a report of my previous application do you mean the award letter I do have the original issued 2017 that shows the points awarded thank you

tealhoneydew16

hi @Girl_No1 thank you for that information I have my claim award from 2017 and it says I have a couple of 4 points in the Daily Living part.

Would I be able to get a copy of the report from my assessment or is it too late to request this information, I had a report regards my ESA as support group, but I've never received the report for PIP it does say ongoing reward on letters I get but how do get the assessed and face to face assessment I had to undertake in 2017 this was also after having to fight via tribunal a few years before this for DLA then I had the PIP paper then Face to Face I have my report for 2017 but never got what the notes where on my appointment F2F thanks again any help would be great x thank you

chiarieds

Hi @tealhoneydew16 - currently a short 6 page form is sent out for those who have an 'ongoing' or 10 year review; the PIPAR2: https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/images/resources/PIP-AR2-Light-Touch-Review-Form.pdf

If the Govt's proposals go ahead, & we just don't know right now, I'd strongly suggest ticking the 'No' box for question 14 on this form. As you have been awarded the enhanced rate for both the daily care & mobility components, then it would be in your best interest to tick 'no' for both questions 14 & 15 anyway, as your award cannot be increased.

As you have your 2017 decision letter showing the points awarded, that's all that's needed.

I'm in exactly the same position as yourself with my award being for 10 years from 2017 (altho the DWP can review at any time). We will both just have to wait & see if anything changes!

tealhoneydew16

@chiarieds Hi thank you so much for your information and help I thought that was the case I hope you get through yours if and when in the near future, your advice is greatly appreciated and I really really am thankful for this site have a great weekend!

Government_needs_reform

I'm also on an ongoing award and I scored 3 lots of 4 points in daily living.

Please also bear in mind the copy of the AR2 form above from benefits and work was amended by the DWP I had the satisfaction survey removed from that form as I believed it was not appropriate to send a survey to any claimants until the full review was complete. The DWP removed it.

Latest Example - Personal Independence Payment Review Form (AR1 and AR2) Updted.

link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/example-award-review-how-your-disability-affects-you-ar1-and-ar2

Kimi87

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1026352#Comment_1026352

You can make a request for a copy of your PIP assessment here:

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/personal-information-request/name

Girl_No1

@chiarieds I think until the assessment process changes, your advice regarding marking 'no' to questions 14 and 15 is good advice for those on enhanced in both elements.

However, I'm not convinced the assessor's marking guidelines will remain unchanged when the PIP assessment morphs into the hybrid PIP/ESA assessments.

I'm concerned the current bar to reach the magical four points in any descriptor may well be raised within the hybrid version.

We have no guarantee the bar for those four points will remain static going forward. In fact, so far as I'm aware, they have said zero about marking guidelines for the hybrid version. That worries me greatly. Nor have they offered reassurance that today's four points will continue to be four points within the hybrid version.

Divide and conquer is their M.O., and it's in their DNA.

I think most people currently with a four point score are perhaps not just so willing to campaign as those who don't. This is, potentially, minimising the backlash. The government knows, and we know, once the legislation is in place, including the potential moving the goalposts to scoring four points, it's far too late to attempt to fight at that point. Even if they wanted to, I expect people will be too fatigued, defeated and in disarray by that point.

Granted, I'm a natural-born pessimist 🤔but, I think we're possibly being (deliberately) lulled into a false sense of security if we already have four points against any descriptor that those points will continue to be available if our condition/s remain static.

In the interests of full disclosure I do currently have four point scores, but I am definitely NOT convinced those will remain in future. That's not because my condition/s have improved, they haven't. I firmly believe the process of allocation of points may well change even if our conditions don't! In fact, I'll be astounded if they don't. 😔

chiarieds

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6602b15965ca2fa78e7da86b/ar2-award-review-how-your-disability-affects-you.pdf

As @Government_needs_reform says the above is the PIPAR2 (with the 'satisfaction survey' removed).

Other than just having the standard rate daily living (11 points with with no 4 points for a single activity, my experience has been very similat to the OP, even down to having to go to a tribunal for DLA). The OP has some 4 points for a couple of the daily living component activities, but we don't know if the goalposts will move in the furure.

The govt has intimated they're wanting to change PIP assessments. Even if I had 4 points for any of these activities, I'd still be campaigning against these proposed benefit cuts @Girl_No1 as I agree with you!

tealhoneydew16

hi thanks for all the advice I have signed all the many petitions I've come across so far, I have always fought for what is right, and I will continue to fight for what is right I will never ever give up, or give in.

tealhoneydew16

@Kimi87 thank you I have requested this and they sent me the original award letter issued in 2017 I already had this but it all states the same as the original. Unfortunately I didn't ask for full evidence provided at the time of my claim from the assessor report or the the DM report given for my award I guess it's too late to get this, I hope it's still on my file though! Thanks again for all your help too @chiarieds @Girl_No1 @Government_needs_reform much appreciated!