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Holly_Scope
Holly_Scope Posts: 6,235 Online Community Team
edited June 2025 in Current affairs

The consultation deadline is currently the 30th June 2025. Have you responded yet? If so, have you any tips for those who are looking to?

This is our newest discussion about Labour's Green Paper on benefits reforms. If you're looking for links to the consultation and information about consultation events, you can find that on the first page of the previous discussion here:

Green Paper Discussion with consultation links

Spring Statement with documents

Here’s a bit about what we at Scope are doing too and how you can help!

  • Our cost of cuts campaign now has over 90,000 signatures. Have you signed yet?
  • 30 Labour MPs have scheduled meetings with us about how they can act against benefit cuts in Parliament. Campaigners can still invite their MP to meet with us during the consultation period.
  • 95 MPs from a range of political parties, and their staff, attended an event we ran in Parliament on 2 April. Disabled people spoke to them directly about the extra costs they face. And how disability benefits support them.
  • We introduced the green paper consultation action which campaigners have been completing. This helps the Government to understand the real impact of making it harder to claim PIP.

We’d love to hear from you in the comments!

Link to last discussion for reference - Green Paper Related Discussions

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    The guardian

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Wouldn’t be surprised if we hear something before next week

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
    edited June 2025

    FromX BBC

    Number of MPs backing the welfare amendment still rising this morning - this really is a very serious crisis for the government.

    Politically, it’s hard to see how the government can proceed as planned.

    Fiscally, it’s hard to see how they can’t.

    Something will have to give

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing

    I've stopped reading the government argument, it's all rehashed copy paste of the same rubbish, just in slightly different order. These are people who either know and don't care, or who have no knowledge of the actual disability situation, and so think they are doing a 'moral thing'.

    Though you would think the massive backlash would tell them otherwise.

    I don't think the bill will be pulled. I would be surprised if the speaker didn't select the amendment, though, given the public feeling and the number of MPs that have backed it. 108 is a considerable number given Labour's working majority is 83, depending on other parties. Reform will vote for the bill. Greens and Libs, almost certainly against. DUP and others are unknown (DUP will probably vote for it tbh)…the big questionmark is Badenoch's Tories.

    Will they vote it through or use it as an opportunity to strike a real blow against the Labour party? Personally I think they would benefit more from voting against it, rather than for it, as it gives them leeway to push for changes THEY want, while looking better in front of the public than they have done since the election catastrophe. But we'll see. Recent Tory politicians have lacked tactical guile…ever since Boris's post-Brexit purge.

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Community Member Posts: 51 Contributor

    If something has to give, does that mean a proper compromise? Sounds like a stalemate. Hard to imagine either side backing down, particularly after reading Cloth Ears' statement.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    If over 100 have signed then that means they’re relying on the Tory’s doesn’t it ?

  • rach_90
    rach_90 Community Member Posts: 38 Contributor

    MP hasn’t signed it. Not surprised, really. I’ve just emailed her urging her to sign and support the amendment.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    My MP David Taylor hasn’t signed it just sent him an email asking why ?

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering

    I'm confused...sorry my brain is not working...had a fre seizures of late. So do we think this will pass or not?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Tory’s have said they will vote against. I wrote to Kemi several times and reminded her that Tory’s are in third place now but if you support the disabled that’s millions of votes. Her office replied each time . She wasn’t committed to anything but didn’t say she agreed with the cuts.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    The times

    Several Labour MPs disappointed not to be in first group, emails to table office this morning asking to be added.

    All not including the dozen ministers considering their position.

    The 170 number I wrote about 5 weeks ago still stands - but now it's almost all public.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    At this stage they’d have to ask the Tory’s for support or at least how they plan to vote if it seems he’s losing his majority. IMO

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Hi Johnny can you post screenshots please as I’m not subscribed, thank you 🙏

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Community Member Posts: 51 Contributor
  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    yes I am not either it is from the journalists x accounts

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 3,199 Championing

    you had the chance to vote to keep the conservatives in at the last election do you think for one minute they will agree to your demands of blackmail to get back in power only to carry on with said cuts because labour were not hard enough to see it through just because the party flags are different colours does not make them think any different as to how they run the country or save money on paper

  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering
    edited June 2025

    People keep asking what it means to cut the bill.This is from the BBC.

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  • AppleJacks
    AppleJacks Posts: 89 Empowering
    edited June 2025

    I got the above, an hour ago. It should explain everything.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 408 Championing
    edited June 2025

    Yes, they did originally, but right now Badenoch is keeping her cards close to her chest and not revealing what she and the Tories intend to do. If they have sense, they will vote against the bill, because it weakens Starmer's position further and is a potential way to rise up in the polls. But I am not sure if the current Tory leadership have the guile to play the long game like that, knowing that the benefit conversation won't go away even if this bill is killed.

    One other thing she could do is give her MPs a free vote, although that risks dividing the party and making them look weak and unmanaged. So I suspect this won't happen.

    It will all depend on whether they see more benefits to themselves to support the cuts or to oppose them. Remember, they have no chance to be in power for at least 4 years, so there's no real need for them to support a bill that will mostly be enacted by the time they have another shot at the ballot box. It would also be a way to define themselves against Reform, potentially shifting disabled voters and those who are on benefits to them and not to Reform.

    But again, this is all tactics and speculation, there's no reason to assume the current Tories will think that way.

    We'll see. It rests with Sir Lindsay Hoyle first, although if there are that many people supporting it, it would be undemocratic for him not to put it to the house.

    Meanwhile, my local MP is a Tory. I haven't seen much point in pushing him about the cuts given that fact, but I have just emailed him about the amendment, because if Tory MPs know their constituents have an interest in the bill, they might be swayed.

    Long shot but worth a try. Suggest anyone else living in a Tory constituency does the same.

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
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