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secretsquirrel1 · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041062#Comment_1041062

Hi Johnny can you post screenshots please as I’m not subscribed, thank you 🙏

jasminehoop · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041038#Comment_1041038

Hi Catherine, this is who I meant.

johnnyy85 · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041071#Comment_1041071

yes I am not either it is from the journalists x accounts

michael57 · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041067#Comment_1041067

you had the chance to vote to keep the conservatives in at the last election do you think for one minute they will agree to your demands of blackmail to get back in power only to carry on with said cuts because labour were not hard enough to see it through just because the party flags are different colours does not make them think any different as to how they run the country or save money on paper

Santosha12 · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041081#Comment_1041081

'Blackmail' or 'quid pro quo' ? I get your sentiment though, afraid I don't see any worthy of my vote.

Ranald · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041061#Comment_1041061

The Cons voting against would be perverse, as they want to cut much more. That's politics for you.

AppleJacks · June 24

People keep asking what it means to cut the bill.This is from the BBC.

AppleJacks · June 24

I got the above, an hour ago. It should explain everything.

Ranald · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041067#Comment_1041067

You only have one vote, we are not some homogenous tribe of disabled, who can vote any particular MP, en masse.

Ranald · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041085#Comment_1041085

Welcome to the discussion Mr Rees Mogg;-)

Amaya_Ringo · June 24

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1041061#Comment_1041061

Yes, they did originally, but right now Badenoch is keeping her cards close to her chest and not revealing what she and the Tories intend to do. If they have sense, they will vote against the bill, because it weakens Starmer's position further and is a potential way to rise up in the polls. But I am not sure if the current Tory leadership have the guile to play the long game like that, knowing that the benefit conversation won't go away even if this bill is killed.

One other thing she could do is give her MPs a free vote, although that risks dividing the party and making them look weak and unmanaged. So I suspect this won't happen.

It will all depend on whether they see more benefits to themselves to support the cuts or to oppose them. Remember, they have no chance to be in power for at least 4 years, so there's no real need for them to support a bill that will mostly be enacted by the time they have another shot at the ballot box. It would also be a way to define themselves against Reform, potentially shifting disabled voters and those who are on benefits to them and not to Reform.

But again, this is all tactics and speculation, there's no reason to assume the current Tories will think that way.

We'll see. It rests with Sir Lindsay Hoyle first, although if there are that many people supporting it, it would be undemocratic for him not to put it to the house.

Meanwhile, my local MP is a Tory. I haven't seen much point in pushing him about the cuts given that fact, but I have just emailed him about the amendment, because if Tory MPs know their constituents have an interest in the bill, they might be swayed.

Long shot but worth a try. Suggest anyone else living in a Tory constituency does the same.